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Posted by htrp 14 hours ago

Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities(www.reuters.com)
388 points | 655 commentspage 6
TheAceOfHearts 5 hours ago|
Someone should setup a plugin or something for Claude Code that makes it easy to log all inputs and outputs for people who are willing and interested in sharing their usage. I don't want Anthropic to be the only company that can train on my usage, I want to share my usage so it can be used for training all new models.

Once you have a system for collecting all logs, you just need a place where they can be submitted. Ideally it would be a freely licensed dataset that is publicly available for everyone.

Has anyone built this yet?

thomasfromcdnjs 4 hours ago||
Discussed building it with my friends, obviously you might share secrets and other real reasons, but if gangs of corporations are already doing it, I don't see why we shouldn't just share it amongst the crowd too.
TheAceOfHearts 4 hours ago||
Yeah I could see it being a problem if you're doing work on closed source or repos with sensitive credentials. Since my usage has all been on open source projects I'd be happy to share everything I'm doing if it can help train better models.
slaw 4 hours ago|||
I don't mind being paid for using LLM, but working for free?
cush 4 hours ago||
Yikes, no thank you
TheAceOfHearts 4 hours ago||
Do you have a substantive reason why you dislike this? What is the problem if it's opt-in? Nobody is forcing you to share your usage if you don't want to.

I'd prefer it if all the model builders could train on my usage rather than being limited to a single company. That'll hopefully help make all the models better in the long-term.

dminik 2 hours ago||
This is supposed to be negative, but all I can really think of is "Good."
jackzhuo 3 hours ago||
most Chinese models are now open-source, whereas ppenai, claude, and gemini are closed; for example, deepdeek, the release of its every new model is accompanied by a corresponding research paper, and it now fully supports huawei's new chips.
zkmon 3 hours ago||
I don't understand. If they are simply using our API and paying for tokens, it's called a "transaction" and not "attack". The user is our customer who is supporting our business by buying our services. And we call them attackers. We happily make money by selling our services, and then call it as attack.

Back in the day, an "attack" was supposed to mean be someone acquiring our assets without paying for them or without having our consent. But none of this seems to have happened in this case.

We built a product without paying for most of the raw material we have used, and we don't call that as an "attack". Did we change the meaning of "attack"?

alpineman 3 hours ago|
Did Anthropic 'attack' all those authors it was forced to pay $1.5bn to for using their work without permission?
estetlinus 4 hours ago||
It all sounds like a really fragile business model. I cant imagine a world where AI is NOT commoditized.
sscaryterry 2 hours ago||
What goes around, comes around.
_fzslm 8 hours ago||
Anthropic being pissed enough to announce this means that, despite encrypting their reasoning chains, it doesn't matter – distillation lives on.

Sweeeeeeeet.

jonplackett 4 hours ago||
How can there be any moat for AI ever, if you can just steal a model by talking to it?
gspr 3 hours ago|
This is what I find the most fascinating about the people arguing that you can copyright-wash anything (e.g. FOSS code) by passing it through an LLM. Surely that same logic applies to the LLM itself?!
throwaway27448 3 hours ago|
"illicitly" is doing a lot of work here. IP makes no sense, and we get better software as a result. Who is going to cry if anthropic fails?
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