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Posted by panza 16 hours ago

Half-Life 2 in a Browser(hl2.slqnt.dev)
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rvz 15 hours ago|
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albertgoeswoof 15 hours ago||
Yup. I was going to finally buy half life 2 today but now I’ve seen this I guess I won’t need to.

Hard times at Valve, I suppose they’ll have to find more children to start gambling with them.

zamadatix 7 hours ago|||
I don't think they wrote the comment because of the impact to Valve. After all, they said legal rather than ethical and the page already seems to be gone (hopefully just a temporary hosting thing due to popularity rather than a takedown thing, but it will soon become the latter regardless).

If you want these kinds of things to stay up long enough for many people to see/use them you have to work around the legal limitations (regardless of whether they make ethical sense). Most commonly, make the site apply as a diff to the original content/assets the user provides.

linzhangrun 15 hours ago||||
lmao :)
tmountain 14 hours ago||||
Someone has to look out for the big guys! /s
m00dy 15 hours ago|||
looks like you forgot to add /s tag to your comment :swh
fragmede 14 hours ago||
But what about the people who aren't idiots and can read sarcasm without the /s? I reflexively downvote ever comment I come across with a /s. People aren't idiots until you treat them like one.
alt227 12 hours ago||
But what about people who are in different parts of the world and don't inherently understand your meaning? That is terrible behaviour to downvote the notation.

Text is notorious for not conveying context. Sarcasm can easily be seen as serious by some people, why is why we have the /s notation to make it obvious.

People aren't idiots, they come from different backgrounds, locations, languages, and all use English as a common tongue. Have some consideration and stop thinking you are so big and clever.

account42 12 hours ago||
The best sarcasm is exactly the one where it could be interpreted as written and people misreading it is part of the fun. If you are going to add sarcasm marks to make sure that absolutely everyone gets what you are intending then whats the point of using sarcasm in the first place instead of clearly writing what you mean?
baal80spam 8 hours ago||
> The best sarcasm is exactly the one where it could be interpreted as written and people misreading it is part of the fun.

Is it kind of a reverse Poe's Law?

haunter 15 hours ago|||
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charcircuit 14 hours ago||
2 wrongs don't make a right.
haunter 14 hours ago|||
Ah yeah the famously equal acts of pirating a game VS promoting illegal unregulated gambling for millions of people (and that's just the tip of the iceberg).

That's why corporations can get away with everything.

zamadatix 7 hours ago||
You're the only one saying they are equal acts. More than one thing can be acknowledged as a problem at a time.
account42 12 hours ago|||
And something being illegal doesn't make it wrong.
charcircuit 10 hours ago||
The converse applies to. Just because piracy is illegal, that doesn't make it right.
gempir 12 hours ago|||
It's only legal if you are a billion dollar AI company
sudo_cowsay 15 hours ago|||
Is that why I can't access the site?
AzzyHN 15 hours ago||
It works on chromium-based browsers at least
zamadatix 7 hours ago||
Works in Chrome, Firefox, & Safari from my testing (well done). If there is an site access problem it's probably something on the network side.
koolala 14 hours ago|||
legality != morality
foresto 14 hours ago||
In which jurisdiction?
hmry 14 hours ago||
Every signatory of the Berne convention or member of the TRIPS agreement, and most others too.
AzzyHN 15 hours ago|
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crote 14 hours ago||
Valve already gave Half-Life 2 away for free, and released the source code of the HL1 engine.

Is it technically illegal? Yeah, but Valve isn't losing out on any money, and there's no way they're going to risk the negative PR blowback they'd get for a takedown.

Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences.

Cthulhu_ 12 hours ago|||
Giving things away for free (at one point) is not the same as making it public domain or relinquishing your (copy)rights. Source available is not the same as open source. Open source code does not mean open source assets/product. I find it weird that this needs to be explained in this community.
crote 11 hours ago||
> Giving things away for free is not the same as making it public domain or relinquishing your (copy)rights.

Obviously. But it does kill the usual "piracy is bad because companies lose money" argument - especially for a 22-year-old game.

> Source available is not the same as open source.

Obviously. But it does show that Valve is more interested in preserving old genre-defying games for the general public, rather than milking every last cent of revenue out of it.

nba456_ 12 hours ago||||
>Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences.

God, AI keeps making life better than I could've ever imagined!

zombot 12 hours ago||
It only works like that for the Big Thieves. Us regular folks get screwed over just like before.
dminik 14 hours ago||||
GoldSrc (HL1 engine) is very much not open source (or even source available). There's at least one open source remake (which is possibly illegal due to using the SDK) but no official release.
crote 11 hours ago||
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife is the HL1 engine, is it not?
bpye 11 hours ago||
That's just the SDK - which does include the game code but not the engine. Xash3D is the reverse engineered engine alluded to above.
flordaman 13 hours ago||||
No no, you can't steal anything without consequences, only big corperations who are making slop machines(tm) can.
account42 12 hours ago||
Turns out "too big to fail" doesn't just apply to reckless financial behavior.
foldr 12 hours ago||||
HL2 is not free: https://store.steampowered.com/app/220/HalfLife_2/
crote 11 hours ago||
It was available for free as part of its 20th anniversary update: https://overclock3d.net/news/software/half-life-2-is-availab...
foldr 11 hours ago||
That was a special promotion with a defined end date. The game is not free. The only legitimate way to obtain it currently is to pay for it. Together with the false claim about HL1 being open source, you're really adding a lot of misinformation to this thread.
rvz 10 hours ago|||
> Yeah, but Valve isn't losing out on any money, and there's no way they're going to risk the negative PR blowback they'd get for a takedown.

So that makes it okay to pirate and steal games developed by your fellow indie game developers as well?

> Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences.

Try doing the same thing to Nintendo.

Even large companies like Anthropic were not going to risk going to trial and getting bankrupted of over $120B+ in damages in using pirated copyrighted eBooks for training. The best case was a settlement for $1.5B which that is a record settlement in copyright law.

account42 12 hours ago|||
This project seems perfectly congruent with current year industry standards regarding copyright, which are to move fast and lobby for permission later.
londons_explore 15 hours ago||
That is up for the copyright owner to enforce or not to enforce.

Until they decide, we can't know if it's illegal or not - who knows, this site might have a license.

KeplerBoy 14 hours ago|||
It's not legal just because the copyright owner doesn't immediately sue you.
simondotau 13 hours ago|||
If a copyright infringement falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, did it make a sound?
account42 12 hours ago|||
Technically it isn't illegal until the copyright holder decides not to grant (retroactive) permission.
Cthulhu_ 12 hours ago||||
A crime is a crime even before a judge rules over it. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but most people know when they're doing something wrong and then don't do it.

Of course, this is a lot more grey area for copyright violations etc because it's a civil matter.

__alexs 11 hours ago||
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
zygentoma 9 hours ago||
"Innocent until proven guilty" concerns whether someone did a crime, not whether something is a crime.

An action can clearly be a crime, but it might be unclear if you did that action.

__alexs 3 hours ago||
Only our legal institutions and the frameworks they create can decide if any specific act is a crime.
rvz 14 hours ago|||
It's quite dangerous to make unsubstantiated comments and assumptions on US copyright law without the proper research.

Valve still owns the copyright to the game and just because they won't do anything now does not mean it is legal to redistribute it without their consent, especially when we know that the game is still being sold. [0]

They (Valve) reserve the right to enforce that and this site clearly does not have such a "license" and haven't disclosed as such. Why would you expect Valve to be in discussions with a 15 year old to redistribute the game for free?

So just say you do not know.

[0] https://store.steampowered.com/app/220/HalfLife_2/

Ukv 13 hours ago|||
> just because they won't do anything now does not mean it is legal to redistribute it without their consent

I don't think the parent comment is claiming it's legal, other than the (unlikely) chance that this is licensed, just that it's up to Valve to enforce and not really our concern. A lot of cool things (like the similar https://noclip.website/) are prima facie copyright infringement.

nhinck2 13 hours ago||
> we can't know if it's illegal or not

I think we can.

Ukv 13 hours ago|||
We can guess this is unlicensed, and likely be right, but whether it gets taken down is up to Valve.
xeyownt 13 hours ago|||
And I think we don't care.
account42 12 hours ago|||
> Why would you expect Valve to be in discussions with a 15 year old to redistribute the game for free?

Because projects like this are free publicity and don't actually compete with the product sold on Steam.