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Posted by Alupis 1 day ago

Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity(www.jeffgeerling.com)
321 points | 180 commentspage 2
purpleidea 1 day ago|
Having it stick out like that is such a stupid design. Almost as dumb as all the 2FA dongles. The USB-A ones that you could leave in actually made the most sense. Yes I know.
0x457 1 day ago||
I'd rather have TB4 dongle with SFP+, rather than two extra heaters.
petterroea 1 day ago||
Frankly, considering this is a laptop, I wish they spent more effort on delivering a flush 1gbe module rather than a 10gbe module. It has become an elephant in the room every time someone asks about my framework laptop. It... sticks out like a sore thumb, per say.
MostlyStable 1 day ago|
As others have commented, this is not a Framework product. That's part of the beauty: they open source there designs, allowing for third parties to easily make things like this (and much more beside). I believe at some point someone in the community was trying to design one of those slim ethernet ports that expands open when you need it (the jack doesn't really fit). Apparently some of the mechanisms for doing so are still proprietary though.

-edit- here it is: https://community.frame.work/t/low-profile-ethernet-expansio...

0xB0D 1 day ago||
Jeff surely understands that heat dissipation converting to 10g is unavoidable.

You really need an optical interface for these speeds.

1e1a 1 day ago||
I wonder why they went with USB-C for expansion slots instead of PCIe
dmitrygr 1 day ago||
The article never does resolve WHY it was slow in linux :(
jeroenhd 1 day ago|
The video mentions that drivers were needed to get the full speed on Windows, and that the Realtek Linux drivers didn't compile on a modern kernel. So it's probably software.

Realtek makes some pretty affordable networking chips but their Linux drivers can be a real gamble. Either it works out of the box or you're in for years of messing around.

cesarb 1 day ago||
> Realtek makes some pretty affordable networking chips but their Linux drivers can be a real gamble. Either it works out of the box or you're in for years of messing around.

And that's when it's a legitimate Realtek chip. Many years ago, I bought a 100M Realtek Ethernet card, expecting it to work out of the box on Linux; but it was actually a counterfeit, using a Silan chip instead of a Realtek chip, and the out-of-tree Linux driver (for Linux 2.4) that came with it on the CD was actually a driver for the Silan chip with the numbers filed off. I ended up writing and submitting a Linux 2.6 driver for it, just to make people stop blaming the Realtek driver for not working with the unrelated Silan chip.

jeffbee 1 day ago||
I think most people do not have 10g UTP infrastructure they want to exploit, but many people do have 2 computers they'd like to connect together at high speed, and these people are far better served by just connecting those computers' Thunderbolt ports together. With nothing other than an admittedly pricey cable, you get 10, 20, or 40gbps links depending on the endpoints. That's the "something faster" that will work well for most people.
naturalmovement 1 day ago||
Only Framework could reincarnate godawful PCMCIA cards as proprietary USB-C dongles and be praised for it. Insanity. Maybe next they can bring back the XJACK.

No one wants to address the elephant in the room: it's a crap design for proprietary modules. Sure the design is open, can you use them anywhere else? Nope.

You're paying a premium for USB-C dongles that can't be used on any other brand of laptop. Apple is probably upset they didn't think of it first.

gobelet 1 day ago||
Of course you can use the modules on any other brand of laptop. It's not going to look pretty doing it, but I've routinely used the USB-C to USB-A, as well as the mini SSD, on a MacBook Pro.

Colleagues borrow them all the time when they need a SD card or MicroSD card reader. Is it as pretty as a dedicated reader for those cards? No, but it does the job.

Saying they're proprietary is misleading a bit. The form factor makes it awkward to use elsewhere but they work just fine anywhere you plug them into.

subarctic 1 day ago|||
Someone's making a usb hub that you can plug expansion cards into, but it's just a kickstarter last time i checked and not a very good price
naturalmovement 1 day ago|||
It is not mechanically fit for purpose.

You can likewise put 26" rims on a Ford Fiesta but it will look and function equally poorly.

Dylan16807 1 day ago||
Slap on a 4 inch extension cable and it's not meaningfully worse than any other dongle.
Patryk27 1 day ago|||
I don’t follow - how are modules based on USB-C proprietary?

My Framework ethernet dongle works perfectly fine with a Mac that I use for work, for instance.

naturalmovement 1 day ago||
I knew someone would ask this.

It is mechanically disagreeable.

The weight/shape of the module will break the USB-C port in short order because it is solely supported by the connector.

For instance, by bumping the spatula hanging off your Mac.

For that matter, USB-C are crap connectors, I don't care how many graphs and BS data you show me stating they're the most reliable connector ever. I do not believe it.

They're the only types of connectors I've seen damaged repeatedly, and the only one with which I've personally experienced damage, and I've been using laptops since before many of you were born.

Patryk27 1 day ago||
So you’re saying the modules have a suboptimal design for non-Framework laptops.

Sure. But this does not make them proprietary, they work fine with non-Framework laptops as well.

naturalmovement 1 day ago||
I'm not getting into a well ackshually argument over this.

Can you slide them into a just-sized mechanical receptacle on a MacBook? On a Dell, HP, etc.

No.

sourcegrift 1 day ago||
I understand your disdain for fandom but in this case this isn't a product by framework. This is a 3d part product resulting from framework's basic motivation and associated actions of nurturing a 3rd party ecosystem. I don't like fandom but we can admit framework's theoretical raison d'etre is pretty good
tristor 1 day ago||
I have a 10GbE network in my house and a Framework 13 AMD laptop (7840U variant), I found that most of the available 10GbE adapters on the market get too hot, and after trying a few I settled on the UniFi USB4 10GbE adapter as it has enough thermal dissipation to be able to sustain full performance over an extended period of time. I don't see how you can dissipate enough heat in the Framework insert shells.
bdavbdav 1 day ago|
I'm not sure why you want to either really. I can't see many scenarios where the absolute portability of having a 10GBE adapter in the laptop is really necessary. I suspect the general use of these kind of things is for people docked at a desk, at which point its best served by a well cooled dongle or a chunky dock like a TS5
tristor 1 day ago||
My use case is definitely while sitting at a desk in my home office where I can directly cable to my 10GbE switch. For other usage, I just stick to WiFi 7, which is usually plenty fast enough for most usage. I prefer connecting wired when doing downloads (Steam, OS upgrades, et al).
bdavbdav 1 day ago||
Same principle here - 2.5GBE dock on the desk, and UniFi WiFi 7 everywhere else. Though switching to the WiFi 7, which hits 1gb+ just about everywhere in the house, I generally feel less inclination to hit the desk
raverbashing 1 day ago|
Sounds like the dual problem of "I want the thinnest" is the "I want the most powerful" on miniature equipment, and of course you run into an unbalanced situation

Honestly I don't see much of an use for 10Gbps in a notebook that can't be solved by a dongle when you actually need it

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