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Posted by fauigerzigerk 1 day ago

Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years(www.theregister.com)
82 points | 77 commentspage 2
Rexxar 1 day ago|
At some point would it be more cost efficient to replace DRAM by SRAM or some other technology and use standard cpu/gpu silicon wafers to build ram chips ?
rawling 1 day ago||
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48676382
feverzsj 1 day ago||
That should be illegal.
DrScientist 1 day ago|
The problem isn't people valuing certainty and doing deals based on that, the problem is monopoly of supply.

You could argue strategic deals like this allow the manufacturers to make the massive capital investments in manufacturing capacity to increase supply.

Otherwise it might be simply too risky - and in the end you end up with lower supply and higher average price.

nok22kon 1 day ago||
This is Capitalism working as intended - resources (RAM) are allocated to those which can extract most value from them (AI labs)
kubb 1 day ago||
You mean those who can pay the most for them? Value is not in the picture here.
_0ffh 1 day ago|||
They can only pay so much because of the expectations about the generated value. Those might turn out wrong, as any expectation, but value is very much in the picture.
kubb 1 day ago||
If by value you mean profit, but that's a conflation that you shouldn't be making. Often profit is generated by actively harming people (eg. human trafficking).
_0ffh 17 hours ago||
I'm not.
kubb 16 hours ago||
Then the value-expectations are even more dubious and harder to justify.
_0ffh 14 hours ago||
I don't need to. Those who get it get it. Apparently that doesn't include you, and I'm fine with that.
hmate9 1 day ago||||
You can pay the most if you can get the most value out of it
adrian_b 1 day ago||
No, you pay the most if you believe that you might get the most value out of it.

Moreover, the AI companies have not bought anything with their own money, but with the money of naive investors who believe that their money will be used by the AI companies to buy things out of which they will be able to get the most value.

So for now, this is strictly only speculation, which has driven the prices sky high. It remains to be seen who will really get any value (besides Micron, NVIDIA and the like, who have got good money for their products).

nok22kon 1 day ago|||
in Capitalism value=profit
kubb 1 day ago||
OK I accept this definition for the scope of this comment, but there's no profit on the horizon.
adrian_b 1 day ago||
Yes, Capitalism is working by a mechanism where some people have access to huge fictitious resources, a.k.a. money, for whom they have never given anything equivalent in exchange, and they use those fictitious resources to outbid the other people and take possession of the real physical resources, which they can use then to make more money, in a positive feedback loop.

Money was supposed to be a means by which it is recorded what someone has given to others, so that they may receive equivalent resources in return. But now money has retained this function only for employees and other low-income categories.

nok22kon 1 day ago||
so you are against lending, stock markets and investing in general? because they are all based on "give me money today and I promise I will give you more money back tomorrow"
deaux 1 day ago||
Doesn't sound like it to me.

> where some people have access to huge fictitious resources

The "huge" adjective seems to be the core of the problem.

LoganDark 1 day ago||
Huh. It looks like Micron managed to lock in these contracts because companies are scared that prices will continue to rise. But in doing that, Micron has managed to lock themselves in a comfortably high floor price, potentially for longer than the boom is going to last. Big win for Micron.
potatototoo99 1 day ago|
The article says they locked in floor prices, so they can even continue to climb is what I understood. So maybe they are buying capacity instead.
LoganDark 1 day ago||
Well, I didn't say the price is fixed. Just that even if the boom goes away, Micron will have their price floor. The benefit to a customer signing a contract like that, of course, is the price ceiling. But indeed, prices can continue to grow within that range.
sombragris 1 day ago|
Thank you, AI. /s