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Posted by mrbn100ful 1 day ago

Jolla Phone (October 2026)(commerce.jolla.com)
302 points | 184 commentspage 3
dengolius 1 day ago|
Does anyone know when they'll sell their company and product to russia again?
badgersnake 1 day ago||
They will sell in Russia when it’s legal to do so, just like every other company.
zuzululu 1 day ago||
Are you talking about European companies? There are already many companies in Russia doing extremely well like Korean and Japanese companies
badgersnake 1 day ago||
European or American.

Currently Russia is sanctioned so it’s illegal to do business there. If it were legal they would be straight back.

zuzululu 1 day ago||
Ah I forgot about that. I don't think Russians will allow those companies to return for a very long time. When all the Western companies left the huge markets across verticals were handed out to local and east asian companies.

Russians hate the West and the incumbents know it. If Western companies started to muscle in again they would drop the price to protect their market shares.

Kind of silly to give up your entire market share over an unwinnable war.

reply to below: I had to add the rebuttal to your racist comment earlier (which you ironically deleted) by editing this comment, because I am being throttled and cannot reply to anymore comments.

badgersnake 1 day ago||
Don’t completely rewrite your comments after somebody replied.
Ylpertnodi 1 day ago||
After they make Zelensky pres.
mrbluecoat 1 day ago||
Ship to the US with GrapheneOS and I'll be first in line :)
microtonal 1 day ago|
The Mediatek Dimensity 7100 in this phone does not support MTE and the phone is unlikely to have a secure enclave. So does not meet the GrapheneOS requirements by a long stretch.
WarmWash 1 day ago||
What does "Assembled in Finland" mean?
embedding-shape 1 day ago||
Stuff gets put together in Finland to form the final device they ship, even if the parts aren't made in Finland. I think a dictionary lookup for "assemble" might help if this explanation did not.
dghlsakjg 1 day ago|||
Well, assembly can mean that a pick and place machine is assembling individual capacitors onto a raw circuit board, or it can mean a teenager putting the battery in and putting the battery cover on before packaging it. That’s why “look it up in a dictionary” comments aren’t helpful. We aren’t confused about the word, we are confused what it means in this use because it can have a VERY broad definition.

Pick and place PCB assembly is very different from the final assembly of batteries in terms of who is capturing value and building a reasonable moat. Their sales angle is around European autonomy.

Low wage workers putting batteries in phones is not that, but PCB assembly is much closer to that.

numpad0 1 day ago|||
I don't know anything but I thought it's the opposite of that? I thought pick-and-place machines are like fancier 3D printers, and they can be bought and copied anywhere sufficiently advanced, but low-wage assembly workers are organic AGIs that require multi year culture building and prompt engineering know-hows accumulation to be able to achieve and maintain even usable yield rates and cannot be spun up overnight, especially after a workplace was once torn down.

Or am I just spoiled by apparent local regional abundance of cheap roboticists?

dghlsakjg 22 hours ago||
Pick a place machines are operated by experts, require supply chain planning to ensure you have the right parts with the right specs, the boards have to be tested, you have to diagnose issues. You have to understand solder bath temperature profiles. You have to have solder baths (large precision controlled vats of molten metal). It’s a complex problem.

Hiring people to put batteries in phones and phones in boxes? Never done that specifically, but other assembly line stuff like that does not require much. Certainly not a multi year culture building process. I used to work for a company that built food gift boxes. When we staffed up for the holiday season, it took about 20 minutes to train new hires. We once added an entire line in a day to make a custom product. I’m not saying that the managers and workers didn’t work hard, but it was not particularly complex work. Most of the difficulty was in finding ways to reduce packing times by a few percentage points.

Put this way: your company have a week to build one of the above processes for 1500 phones a week, and they get a $1mm bonus if they succeed. Do you choose pick and place assembly or battery assembly.

SoftTalker 1 day ago|||
Seems much more likely to me that the main board of the phone is assembled in China and the battery and the case, and perhaps the screen are added in Finland. But it would be nice to know for sure.
nticompass 1 day ago||||
I read it as "how much is actually assembled in Finland versus arriving pre-assembled?"
yeah879846 1 day ago|||
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john_strinlai 1 day ago|||
the pieces of the phone are put together in the country of finland
nticompass 1 day ago||
Yes, but which pieces are put together there and which are already assembled elsewhere?
scoot 1 day ago|||
Exactly this (when nitpicking the phrasing). Is putting the finished unit in the box "assembly" of the delivered product?

OTOH, I'm not sure how much it matters. Apple products are "designed in California" (which is a bit of a lie to begin with), and very much assembled overseas.

Of more interest is how few units they've pre-sold compared to mainstream phones. I wish them well, but I doubt they'll change history.

john_strinlai 1 day ago|||
there is a legal differentiation between putting a finished product into a box ("packaged in") and assembling component pieces ("assembled in")
Steve16384 1 day ago||||
It's almost like a "ship of Theseus" problem. If something arrived in Finland for assembly that could theoretically be disassembled, does the final product count as being assembled in Finland? What even counts as "assembling"?
reaperducer 1 day ago|||
Is putting the finished unit in the box "assembly" of the delivered product?

I've seen "Packaged in $country" on boxes before, so I suspect they are two different things.

Like food made in Canada that shows up in American chain stores being labeled "Distributed by QFC." There's lots of rules about this sort of thing.

Reminds me of back in the late 90's when Wal-Mart was all rah-rah about "Made in the USA!" on all of its products. Then my company bought every employee a Sam's Club membership and the cards were all marked "Litho en Mexico."

tchalla 1 day ago|||
What does their website say?
ttkari 1 day ago||
Probably things like fixing the mainboards to the casing, putting in batteries, back covers, flashing the software, running hw tests, packaging etc.
samtp 1 day ago||
Their branding & website looks like a generic fake shop that was created in 30 mins for testing or scamming
system2 1 day ago||
I wonder if humanity will ever go back to Nokia times small phones. If this phone was 50% smaller, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I don't want to carry these huge bricks anymore.
wuming2 9 hours ago||
Since NASA demonstrates it is possible to keep servicing software on a 50 years old hardware, traveling into space far far away, I want someone to buy software and original tooling rights for the Nokia 1100. Then prepare a firmware upgrade for the variant with WAP capabilities to replace them with a more modern, very optimized, stack and have it installed on the (millions of) remaining devices. Then deal with carriers convincing them to provide ad-hoc 2G CSD service. Finally setting up internet services for the puny device. One can always dream.
Cider9986 1 day ago||
Most people like big phones and they sell the best. With more people who only have phones as their devices, they want to have as much screen as possible.

The solution that I would implement ifI wanted a small phone would be a Motorola flip.

Artoooooor 1 day ago||
Another almost good phone without a mini jack :( User-replaceable battery, SD card port, mini jack, touchscreen that works consistently. Do I really ask for that much?
poetaster 1 day ago||
I'm also a bit dissapointed by that, but the community sponsored me a phone and I've been testing usb dongles. They're actually surprisingly good for no money. I think if I was a daily phones user I would probably be using bt.
fsflover 1 day ago||
Did you consider Librem 5 or Pinephone?
sourcegrift 1 day ago||
Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft. I hope for a day when my phone runs nixos with Qt apps. Qt is so much better than java that I'm sure I'll be able to make do in 4gb what android takes 16gb for.

In the era of hallucinated apps, this doesn't even seen like an imaginary wishful scenario.

drnick1 1 day ago|
> Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft.

You can unlock a Pixel's bootloader and install GrapheneOS. It would be highly ironic if the Jolla's was locked.

xigoi 1 day ago||
GrapheneOS seems to focus on privacy and security, not freedom.
Andromxda 11 hours ago||
This makes no sense. GrapheneOS is open source, while SailfishOS isn't. On top of that, GrapheneOS is much more secure.
gitowiec 1 day ago||
Why so expensive :(
mrbn100ful 1 day ago|
They also have the Jolla c2 for 360€
imzadi 1 day ago||
I hope it eats you if you don't wear your Christmas clothes
erzo152817 13 hours ago|
Moto g 05
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