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Posted by ProxyTracer 23 hours ago

Why does kinetic energy increase quadratically, not linearly, with speed? (2011)(physics.stackexchange.com)
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jacknews 18 hours ago|
The first example only tells me that the energy is dependent on your frame of reference, since the collision seen from the train appears to have more energy than the head-on collision, simply due to the moving viewpoint, whereas they must be the same.
AngryData 21 hours ago||
This is also why splitting wood with a maul is way more work than using an axe. You can swing an axe at incredibly speeds which gives incredibly transfers of energy, but a maul is going to always have "meh" levels of speed because it is too much mass to accelerate over such a short distance as a swing. Also why you don't see framers using 3 lb hammers. You can put in more effort and get your lighter hammer swing to twice the normal speed, no way in hell you are doubling the speed of a 3 lb hammer though.
gorfian_robot 17 hours ago|
have you ever had to split wood?
AngryData 5 hours ago||
Ive split wood by hand my entire life to use for heat. Have you?

A practiced arm with an axe beats a maul any day of the week. That's why splitting mauls are a modern device and splitting axes have existed since forever. Plenty of information on it online and on youtube, and why there are dozens of expensive specialty handmade splitting axes to buy and just cheap mauls for the rest.

Also this post is the physics behind it. Kinetic energy scales faster with speed than mass.

Splitting mauls are for people who either lack any experience or physically can't swing an axe that well. An axe is for people who got shit to do and don't have time to waste.

jijijijij 9 hours ago||
> The previous answers all restate the problem as "Work is force dot/times distance". But this is not really satisfying, because you could then ask "Why is work force dot distance?" and the mystery is the same.

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> But now look at this in a train which is moving along with one of the balls before the collision. In this frame of reference, the first ball starts out stopped, the second ball hits it at 2v, and the two-ball stuck system ends up moving with velocity v.

That's still just pushing the problem elsewhere. Intuitively, why does the two-ball system end up with a velocity of 1v?

shubh24 14 hours ago||
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firebot 21 hours ago|
Because it's not momentum. ;p

F=ma (Force equals mass times acceleration)

W=Fd (work equals force multiplied by distance)

V^2=2ad (velocity squared equals two times acceleration times distance)

So W = Fd = ma(v^2/2a)

Finally: W=1/2mv^2 (work equals 1/2 mass times velocity squared)

So this explains why car crashes can be so dramatic, as a doubling of speed results in 4x the kinetic energy.

ajross 21 hours ago|
Actually, it is momentum, sorta. Galilean 3D momentum isn't conserved under special relativity. The energy-momentum four-vector, however, is, under all lorentz-transformed frames.

So in some sense energy is momentum in the time direction (though it's not a Euclidean 4D space, so beware of assumptions). For an object at rest, this becomes its E=mc² equivalence. Kinetic energy is just a straightforward "rotation" of the frame.

esalman 18 hours ago|||
Original comment is correct, it's not momentum. Work (hence, energy) is integral of force over distance, momentum is integral over time. There's not "sorta" about high school physics.
koolala 16 hours ago||
You can't cover distance without time.
esalman 7 hours ago||
W=F.s
c1ccccc1 19 hours ago||||
If you use the right formula for calculating it (which approximates p=mv at low speeds), momentum is actually conserved in special relativity, and so is energy.

However: Energy and momentum are not invariant under changes of reference frame, though the magnitude of the energy-momentum 4-vector is invariant between frames.

firebot 21 hours ago|||
P=mv (momentum equals mass times velocity)

This is linear.

One small nuance... saying "kinetic energy is just a straightforward rotation of the frame" is close, but it's the total energy that is the time component of the four-momentum and mixes with the spatial momentum under Lorentz transformations. Kinetic energy is the difference between that transformed total energy and the invariant rest energy. So kinetic energy isn't itself a four-vector component, but it arises from how the time component changes when viewed from a different inertial frame.

ajross 19 hours ago||
To nitpick your nitpick: I know. But precision isn't the point here, it's to point out that there's an interesting and deeper symmetry at work. Energy and Momentum are not actually different quantities that vary in different ways but are still conserved via different laws. They're actually expressible as a single conserved vector quantity.

Details about the specifics were hidden behind the scare quotes on "rotation". But sure, my phrasing was loose, how about 'What we ses as "kinetic energy" pops out of the Lorentz "rotations" of that energy in different reference frames.' ...?