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Posted by droidjj 14 hours ago

WordStar: A Writer's Word Processor (1996)(www.sfwriter.com)
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jszymborski 13 hours ago|
I've long considered getting a netbook, slapping freedos on it and running WordStar or WordPerfect as a writing deck.

I'm not sure how I would get my files I create off the device since USB support isn't really a thing.

UncleSlacky 4 hours ago||
https://github.com/lproven/usb-dos

"To get your work off the key, just insert the key into a computer that's already running any more modern OS than DOS."

jszymborski 3 hours ago||
This looks like a winner, thx!
hakfoo 13 hours ago|||
If you use a machine with an ISA slot, you can get a card with a chip called CH375 or CH376, which deploys a USB flash drive like a normal hard disc with either a loadable driver or option BIOS ROM. You can just pull out the entire drive and mount it on a normal Windows or Linux box.

I think the below-mentioned Pocket 376 might have one soldered-on already.

toast0 13 hours ago|||
I thought freedos could use usb? Get something with built in ethernet or serial and you can transfer that way pretty easy too.

Or just run joe as jstar and close enough, maybe? I use joe for mostly everything, but I never used WordStar (well, I ran into it once)

prmoustache 5 hours ago|||
Just use any linux or bsd on a second hand netbook or laptop, install joe editor package, disable graphical desktop and boot to console only. Done.

https://joe-editor.sourceforge.io/

kqr 11 hours ago|||
I've had similar thoughts and ended up going with FreeBSD and no network connection for my use case. It's been great. It gives you some of the expected terminal ergonomics (and USB support) without the distractions.
kevin_thibedeau 13 hours ago|||
It should run fine under dosemu with a minimal console only Linux.
WorldMaker 12 hours ago|||
Apparently the right combination of BIOS and FreeDOS gives you somewhat easy USB support: https://superuser.com/questions/740474/how-to-access-a-usb-s...
jwrallie 13 hours ago|||
Something like the Pocket 386 but with a regular size keyboard could be the perfect device for this purpose.
whartung 43 minutes ago||
This showed up on HN a couple weeks ago:

https://tylercipriani.com/blog/2026/05/28/chuwi-minibook-x/

geonineties 12 hours ago|||
If you want just load the dos net ios/smb stack (or a tcp stack) and go to town.
incanus77 10 hours ago|||
USB floppy drive on the modern computer side. I do this for old machines.
anthk 7 hours ago|||
Hyperbola GNU/Linux and Wordgrinder or jstar (from the Joe package) and Markdown, or even Groff as the basic syntax can be easy enough. Then you run

     groff file.troff -step -k  > file.pdf 
And you can now enjoy a formated book in the spot.

If any, check Groff with Mom macros, with does what you need with ease:

https://www.schaffter.ca/mom/

Online manual:

https://www.schaffter.ca/mom/momdoc/toc.html

For a quick command:

     pdfmom -step -k yourfile.troff > output.pdf
In order to get the last version:

- Install groff in Hyperbola GNU/Linux (or any other) if is not installed. It's mandatory in a 99% of distros but not Hyperbola.

- get https://www.schaffter.ca/mom/mom-2.6_d.tar.gz

- uncompress it

- copy om.tmac to /usr/share/groff/current/tmac/om.tmac

- cd to examples/ directory and do some tests:

             pdfmom -step -k mom-pdf.mom  > mom-pdf.pdf
WIth jstar+groff+mom you can get something basically perfect. "-step -k" it's just "-s -t -e -p -k", a bunch of options to enforce UTF-8, some proper handing and whatnot.
whartung 30 minutes ago|||
I essentially did this in college for my freshman comp english class.

It wasn't groff, or even Unix, or even a screen editor.

It was some RUNOFF clone running on NOS, using the XEDIT line editor.

But once you added the few commands you need (page size, margins, double space), it was just blank lines demarcate paragraphs and you're off to the races.

The advantage here is that one of the things that actual Wordstar brings to the table is formatting. Few of the other just "editors" offer that. (Notably, things like double space). I would not like to have to maintain double space text in a random text editor.

Since the text formatter dealt with word wrap and pages and everything else, I was just able to dump in raw text, not worry about formatting (at all), and just go. It's "OK" to have a line with just a single word on it, so using a line editor really isn't an issue. (Joining lines in XEDIT is kind of a pain in the neck.)

The teacher was kind enough to accept my papers from dot matrix printers on reversed green bar paper (cut to width, of course).

But, fundamentally, using simple groff is very capable for basic manuscripts without having to fall down a deep dark rabbit hole.

2b3a51 4 hours ago|||
Just a footnote to parent post: Groff is developed as a complete set of programs and macro files. Debian, hence Ubuntu and other derivative distros, segment groff into a base package with what you need to display man pages (using the man macros) that comes as part of a base install and an additional package that has the mom macros and all. Just 'apt install groff' to get the full groff distribution.
ErroneousBosh 9 hours ago||
CF card. Pop the card out, read it on the PC.
terminalgravity 12 hours ago||
I believe George R. R. Martin uses wordstar to write his books. I still hold a little hope that he will finish A Song of Ice and Fire series.
EFreethought 9 hours ago||
Maybe he hasn't finished it because he can't run WordStar anymore.
visarga 11 hours ago||
I think he is busy making sure AI doesn't finish it first. Can't have AIs trample in his fantasy land.
dessimus 8 hours ago|||
He could have finished the series long before the Game of Thrones adaptation was in full swing, much less the general availability of LLMs. I think the HBO money made him care a lot less about ASoIaF mainline and went back to editing Wild Cards and other projects.
rrvsh 11 hours ago|||
LLMs are really bad at worldbuilding outside of tropes. They're great at coming up with on the fly setpieces etc. halfway through a session, but for novel concepts they really dont work that well
ggm 10 hours ago||
Followed the UCSD p-system of putting command prompts on screen. Useful but also irritating to attention and screen real estate.

Usefully showing end-of-line markers. I remember thinking compared to dec-10 ROFF (which iirc proceeded nroff etc) it was both simpler and harder.

Used it, never liked it. Ed was the way.

jmclnx 2 hours ago||
> I've used WordStar, WordPerfect, Word, MultiMate, Sprint, XyWrite, and just about every other MS-DOS

I bet you never used Wang WP or Wang WP Plus for DOS :) That is what I used back then, WP+ was good but I liked WP original better.

I never saw WordSstar but Slackware comes with joe, which I hear is close to WordStar.

poetaster 8 hours ago||
I fondly remember writing, mostly poetry, with wordstar on my first portable, the kaypro. I still have all the files. I believe it was CPM under the hood...
zabzonk 11 hours ago||
Using its text mode, WordStar made a pretty good programming editor.
EagnaIonat 12 hours ago||
I still have memories of having to install Wordstar 2000 on 5 1/4" floppies. I think it was like 20 discs and painfully slow.
saltysalt 6 hours ago||
Side topic, but that website is awesome.
ares623 11 hours ago||
I started getting into typewriters. I could've repurposed an old X230 and disable/remove the network card physically. But I also wanted to stop staring at a screen when writing, so I gave the typewriter a try.

It's still early and I'm struggling to write more than a few lines at a time. Not surprising from how I've been commenting "witty" one-liners in comment threads for over a decade. I expect being able to write long-form with no backspacing will need a lot of time to learn.

But I want to take back my attention. If there's one thing I've learned in the last decade, is that one's attention is a precious resource and it's time to be more deliberate in how I spend it.

2b3a51 9 hours ago||
Reaching back decades, I used to do a first draft longhand on file paper, cross bits out, rewrite bits. Then bang it out on a typewriter. Then once over with a red pen the next day, and a complete re-type.

I'm not sure that I could work that way now, but it was more deliberate. Less 'drive by' thought.

"Our Writing Tools Are Also Working on Our Thoughts"

(I'm talking essays for University here not deathless prose).

Rotundo 10 hours ago|||
I got back to writing longer texts by mentally separating writing and editing. When writing, just write. Even when you think the paragraph could be better, keep on writing.

Only start editing when a substantial piece is ready. Clean up some wording, rewrite a paragraph or two.

Even then, don't overdo it. There is always something to improve, you'll never be done that way. Good enough is good enough, hit publish and go on write the next thing.

ed_elliott_asc 9 hours ago||
Attention is like a limited amount, you start the day with 100 tokens, scrolling tick-tock for an hour? 25 tokens, deep working for an hour? 25 tokens - what do you have left to do and how many tokens does it take?

I’m trying more and more to not spend tokens on things that don’t help (social media), etc.

Gibbon1 9 hours ago|
The later version of Wordstar had a style template system which I thought was nice. So where Word Perfect had tags and more tags. Wordstar you just applied a predefined style to a block of text. I think somewhat like CSS.