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Posted by sambellll 1 day ago

HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88(danunparsed.com)
957 points | 403 commentspage 8
suzukivenom 15 hours ago|
never understood how can people think an .md file can actually evaluate a human being.
JrProgrammer 15 hours ago|
They are not evaluating human beings though. They evaluate a textual representation of a human being’s work experience.

Not that I agree with this AI approach but when hiring, the real test begins after this initial hurdle

maxignol 19 hours ago||
Are many people using HackerRank ATS ?
swingboy 17 hours ago||
I’ve always assumed any LLM output that was some type of rating or score was bullshit. Unless the LLM writes a Python script to calculate the score (and even then…) then the score it outputs is just the next most likely token, taking into account temperature and what not.

You see a lot of frameworks for things like spec-driven development make use of scoring how good the spec/design/plan is and it’s like, uhhh…

joelthelion 17 hours ago|
> is just the next most likely token, taking into account temperature and what not.

This doesn't mean anything. All LLM output is like that.

That said, I agree that LLMs are terrible at grading stuff, except perhaps if you give them a very detailed evaluation grid.

diimdeep 19 hours ago||
They forgot to add "masterpiece" /s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcYl70vq_Ns

https://github.com/interviewstreet/hiring-agent/blob/main/pr...

polynomial 12 hours ago||
The most concerning thing here is the temperature problem. If your harness isn't providing deterministic output at a temperature setting of 0.0, it is broken.
weare138 12 hours ago||
I'm from genx. This has been a serious issue in the tech industry for decades even before AI somehow made it worse. The real problem is resumes themselves. It's an outdated format that was originally designed for completely different industries that just doesn't work with ours. And this is a great example of what I'm talking about:

The scoring is out of 100, with up to 20 bonus points on top:

35 points for open source contributions

30 for personal projects

25 for work experience

10 for technical skills

Up to 20 bonus points for startup experience, a portfolio site, a technical blog, etc.

All the AI is doing is trying to sus out the candidates portfolio which is really what we should be submitting when we apply for a position instead of being forced to somehow condense it to a set of BS business-speak bullet points. Especially when employers are now deploying AI systems just to figure out what's in a candidate's portfolio to begin with.

When all you have is a hammer every problem is a nail. The process itself is broken. We need to kill the outdated concept of resumes before it kills the industry.

justinhj 12 hours ago||
"If your company’s cutoff sits at 85, I fail 65% of the time. Same exact resume, different luck."

Sounds like they have replicated the existing recruitment process

yobid20 7 hours ago||
so if a scoring system automatically ranks candidates lower for lacking a public GitHub or open-source contributions, that might indirectly disadvantage certain groups. ie ppl in defense, security, or other restricted industries who cannot legally share work publicly, people under strict employer IP/confidentiality rules, some demographics or nationalities with different access to open-source engagement (something like non-citizens not allowed to use xyz ie mythos), this can be construed as disparate impact which is protected under the equal employment opportunities commission (EEOC) and employers can be held liable for this as it can be seen as a biased discriminatory practice.
carb 18 hours ago|
It's a good analysis but the AI slop writing makes me not trust you've reviewed this and I'm unable to finish or subscribe. I'm sure you're a great blogger but this is holding it back!
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