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Posted by taubek 10 hours ago

Pollen tried to remove my article and Google is assisting with it(blog.pragmaticengineer.com)
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TFNA 9 hours ago|
> Negus-Fancey

I have seen that posh double-barreled surname before: Charles and Cathy Negus-Fancey were the managers of the reclusive cult musician Scott Walker and his interface to the world. Any close relation?

saaaaaam 9 hours ago||
Charles Negus-Fancey is Callum Negus-Fancey’s father. Charles Negus-Fancey’s father was Edwin Fancey, a British film producer and distributor.
philipwhiuk 9 hours ago|||
Probably - he got started in the music business: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/talent-20...
bflesch 8 hours ago||
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znpy 9 hours ago||
> It seems that anyone can file a bogus copyright claim to get an article they don't like removed from Google's search index

This has been known for years. Copyright has been abused for many many years in this sense.

And Google is very well known for their completely absent human-in-the-loop support, so that doesn’t help either.

mDyJzDPmBdG 9 hours ago|
While that is true, and Google deserves are shaming they get for their terrible handling of DMCA, lets try to be real. Autoaccepting all DMCA takedown requests with zero verification is simplest and cheapest approach to be complaint. Failing to delete a file is tho only way to be on hook for any repercussions.
znpy 2 hours ago||
in the year of AI google could easily to a first round of review of DMCA complaints

and nonetheless, it's still on their side to act properly. it's not like they lack funds to pay people reviewing claims.

nubinetwork 10 hours ago||
I'm curious how Google notifies people about things like this... do they pull an email out of whois, or your DNS SOA? If there's nothing linking your website to a Google account, it seems like they could just make your website disappear.
donohoe 9 hours ago||
Many sites have setup Google Search Console and so you can be notified through that.
nubinetwork 9 hours ago||
That was what I was referring to... if you never set it up, I guess you'll never know then?
LoganDark 9 hours ago||
Do they even?
progbits 9 hours ago||
> So imagine my surprise when I was notified that Google removed the article from its search results

You know you can just read the linked articles, right?

Edit: parent has edited their post, it used to say something like "google has never notified anyone about such things".

donohoe 9 hours ago|||
I have received notifications for stories published by the org I work at when they were delisted for certain terms. Like here, it’s people who got caught doing disreputable things and trying to cleanup their online presence.
second-chip 7 hours ago||
Streisand effect is in effect! Nicely done Google and whoever you are Pollen.
hmokiguess 7 hours ago||
I love a good Barba Streisand effect, hope this becomes one!
saaaaaam 4 hours ago|
The article in question is now the second result I see in Google in a private browser when I search for "Callum Negus-Fancey"
santiagobasulto 7 hours ago||
This is all super interesting, but I can't decide what's the MOST interesting thing:

1. The whole Pollen case (I didn't know about)

2. That Google can be tricked so easily?

3. The whole "industry" that seems to be in place to clean the image of some scumbags in the internet (this whole Ellie Piee from Bouvet Island)

I think the most worrying part is Google's fragility to hurt itself.

PunchyHamster 9 hours ago||
> Why does Google allow fraudulent DMCA notices to be filed with no penalty?

Because there is no law that requires a penalty. It's very common on YT, if you are big enough of a company you can file them willy nilly and never get any consequence

IAmBroom 8 hours ago|
There is a law; it's perjury. But it isn't enforced, so ... it might as well not exist.
pancho111203 10 hours ago||
How easy is it to challenge these claims?
bombcar 8 hours ago||
The biggest issue is that to challenge them, you have to dox yourself, even if the DMCA claim is completely bogus and itself is contains bullshit information about nobody who actually exists (e.g, in a doxing war, the party that fires a bullshit DMCA claim first has a huge advantage).
PunchyHamster 9 hours ago||
You pay lawyer, they back off, you're now in the red for lawyer fees. I guess you could sue for damages but good fucking luck
eamag 9 hours ago||
1) Do you have to pay for the lawyer? Can't you object yourself? 2) Shouldn't offending side reimburse the expenses?
masfuerte 9 hours ago||
> Shouldn't offending side reimburse the expenses?

In an ideal world. They might even be legally liable in this one. But you still have to sue them to get the money, which is an expensive gamble for a very small pay off.

plagiarist 6 hours ago||
Steal $20 from a gas station and it is jail time. Instead, steal wages from employees and double-charge customers to make it a civil case.
triceratops 4 hours ago|
Pretty much this. Cashier takes $20 out of the register at a gas station and it goes on their criminal record. Gas station owner shorts the cashier $20 on their pay and there's basically no recourse.
hootz 7 hours ago|
Ah, the wonders of copyright. A weapon disguised as protection. Like with age verification and "think of the children", copyright claims have "think of the small artists".
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