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Posted by Risse 19 hours ago

The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party(det.social)
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colesantiago 3 days ago|
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techhut 3 days ago||
NetBird doesn't use Mullvad
colesantiago 3 days ago||
They are considering which is enough for me to not use Netbird.

https://github.com/netbirdio/netbird/issues/1138

SideburnsOfDoom 3 days ago|||
I am now open to suggestions for a good VPM that isn't Mulvad. Or Proton.

Why not Proton: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2024/07/25/proton-mail-adds-a-bitcoi...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48447103

davidgerard 1 day ago||
ssh -D

(really, that's what I do)

vrganj 3 days ago|||
About that... https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/1tzbizh/proton_is...
colesantiago 3 days ago||
:/

Perhaps the alternative is to self host, but my friends can't do that.

It is about time we compile a list of VPNs to avoid.

pixel_popping 3 days ago||
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SideburnsOfDoom 3 days ago||
Don't be silly, everyone knows that left wing extremists are broke, and have no funds.
znpy 3 days ago||
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Capricorn2481 3 days ago|
Yes very far left.

"They should also be deported, even if they were born in Sweden, because they don't have a natural connection to Sweden. They are not Swedes. I am prepared to walk over corpses here, and that is what separates me from these other damn politicians." [1]

[1] https://x.com/AllardKlipp/status/2060109271635771457

tastyface 3 days ago||
I hate how right wingers are constantly trying to normalize viscous, abhorrent rhetoric like this. Ironically, they often claim to be religious...

If any of my peers spoke like this, I'd cut them out of my life in an instant.

yaris 3 days ago|||
The quote is taken out of context. The sentence starts with "Youngsters that are criminals - they should get out". And before "walk over corpses" he says that "they got swedish passports but have not become swedish [culturally]. They are not interested in it".
tastyface 3 days ago||
How much context do you need for a quote that uses "walk[ing] over corpses" as a virtue???
teddyh 12 hours ago|||
It’s a somewhat common Swedish idiom: <https://sv.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=g%C3%A5_%C3%B6ve...>
eudamoniac 3 days ago|||
Some
eudamoniac 3 days ago||||
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tastyface 3 days ago||
Just don't be surprised when your children refuse to talk to you.
eudamoniac 3 days ago||
Fortunately I brought/bring my kids to ethnic ghettos and homeless encampments at early ages so they are not helplessly sheltered from the truth of these matters. We are not so rich that we can afford all the luxury beliefs. I also have skin in the game so to speak. How old are your children?
znpy 12 hours ago|||
> I hate how right wingers are constantly trying to normalize viscous, abhorrent rhetoric like this. Ironically, they often claim to be religious...

I mean, have you seen the political discourse on the left? they want to literally eat the rich. They rejoice every time a right-wing exponent gets shot and they defend all kinds of criminals.

The left is no better than the right in this sense.

sourcegrift 19 hours ago||
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docmars 6 hours ago||
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redlewel 14 hours ago||
Mullvad is a great service, and their founder in a country outside the US donates to a party he prefers? I don't see the issue.

Also why post these journalist links that require you to be a paying member to view the article? Share an archive link no one is gonna pay for that noise.

hackinthebochs 13 hours ago||
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devindotcom 13 hours ago|||
in a global market, principles don't stop at the border
hackinthebochs 13 hours ago||
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dang 9 hours ago|||
Please follow the site guidelines, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

You may not owe people who you feel are wrong better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

devindotcom 12 hours ago|||
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dang 9 hours ago||
Please follow the site guidelines, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

You may not owe people who you feel are wrong better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

mrhottakes 13 hours ago|||
A lot of people in Sweden have strong opinions about American politics.
lkt 13 hours ago||
American politics often have a blast radius of the entire world, Swedish politics less so
miyoji 13 hours ago||
German politics weren't too important to most of the world in 1932, but they were critically important to a large part of it by 1940.

The rise of fascism anywhere should be opposed by good people everywhere.

thepaulmcbride 14 hours ago|||
There are literally dozens of us that either live outside the US or are from other countries
redlewel 13 hours ago|||
I'm just saying for me personally its even further moved into the box of "why would this bother me as a user of their service"
daneel_w 13 hours ago|||
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thepaulmcbride 13 hours ago|||
Sure you can. This is kind of like not voting and lots of people live their life like that. However, if people use their ability to shape and influence the world by voting with your ballot as well as their wallet I think that is equally valid.
woodruffw 12 hours ago||||
Given that VPN services are essentially an unalloyed commodity, the only differentiator they can provide is their politics. Mullvad has made this a loud and clear part of their branding (again, because they’re selling a commodity), so to me this seems like a pretty natural counterpart to their business strategy.

In other words: if you use politics to differentiate yourself in a market that lacks natural differentiation, you probably shouldn’t be surprised when your consumers have opinions about your politics. Especially when those politics are, at least on their face, noxious.

aoshifo 12 hours ago||||
No I cannot. When my money is being used to sow hatred and division in the world, I will take my money elsewhere. Unfortunately, the list of unusable services is growing by the day. But to me standing up for what I believe in is more important than the convenience of using a good service.
dgellow 12 hours ago|||
There are other VPN providers, I can still use the tech, but I will for sure not give my money to a company whose owners support racist policies
a34729t 13 hours ago||
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al_borland 13 hours ago||
People who engage in these antics would quickly find that there isn’t a single company where all the employees align with all their values. They would then either need to accept their hypocrisy or reject society completely to live in the forest somewhere.
pesus 13 hours ago|||
Maybe we can start with not supporting companies that have cofounders that directly financially support ethnic cleansing.
deaux 2 hours ago|||
Why set the bar at cofounders? Why not company donations, which are much more direct than a cofounder donating personal funds? Or why not CEOs? In terms of "support ethnic cleansing", indiscriminate ICE raids arresting people based on ethnicity sure sounds like a form of it. Why not include those too?

Oh right, because if we'd start with that, most people in this thread would have to stop using the device they're currently using, and that's inconvenient. Better put the goalposts exactly so that there's no such inconvneience!

DaSHacka 12 hours ago|||
That sounds like a good idea! I fail to see how it's related to this thread's topic, however.
pesus 12 hours ago||
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DaSHacka 12 hours ago||
I did, yet nothing seems to be about "Ethnic" cleansing. The 'worst' thing that party supports is "remigration" which is deporting illegal migrants.
pesus 12 hours ago||
People born in the country are illegal migrants? That's a first.
al_borland 11 hours ago||
Sweden doesn’t have birthright citizenship. That’s primarily an Americas thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

wepple 13 hours ago||||
I think that’s the point
well_ackshually 13 hours ago|||
Revealing that capital is catastrophically misallocated to people whose deep desires are to inflict suffering on others? Oh no, please don't do it, that would be terrible. We could almost figure out a solution to this capital problem. Maybe something involving a common ownership and a sense of class.

The one time HN is accelerationist in the right one. Be proud, comrade, you're making the world better even if you don't know it

drptech 12 hours ago||
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guerrilla 13 hours ago|||
It doesn't take much purity to not be a fascist.
pesus 13 hours ago||
Apparently that's asking too much of people these days, if the not at all suspicious flood of comments defending ethnic cleansing is any indication.
well_ackshually 13 hours ago||
Considering their CEO is only supporting a party whose primary goal is mass deportation of undocumented and documented immigrants as well of legal citizens, it's going to be one of the easiest purity check of my life. A good fascist is a dead fascist.
DaSHacka 12 hours ago||
You quite literally invented almost all of your comment just to create a strawman you could get mad at, then morally grandstand about.
well_ackshually 12 hours ago||
No, this is what the term "remigration" explicitly means.
bingemaker 14 hours ago||
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mrhottakes 13 hours ago||
Politics is how a society organizes itself. That seems relevant to a message board that discusses society and technology.
daneel_w 13 hours ago||
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pixel_popping 3 days ago||
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Cenk 3 days ago||
Surely you can see the difference between “the personal life of founders” and “the founder of this company is by far the largest donor to a party in favour of ethnic cleansing and thus I don’t want to buy his products”?
drdexebtjl 3 days ago|||
What?

The reason he has those millions to give is because of the money he made from Mullvad, no?

If he separates that, I’ll happily separate my judgement as well.

addedGone 3 days ago||
you are saying that if that founder earned from scam websites while running Mullvad, then it would have been fine to sponsor that association with the crime money, but not Mullvad money, yes?
drdexebtjl 3 days ago||
I’m saying it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to not want to support Mullvad if part of their money indirectly goes to that association.
vrganj 3 days ago||
There's "personal life" and then theres being 75% of the funding of a party calling for ethnic cleansing...
pixel_popping 3 days ago||
You have sources about Ethnic cleansing or you are just talking about immigration which has nothing to do with ethnicity? Of course criminal immigrants that just cross the border should be deported, that's common-sense. You would really cross Japanese border right now and genuinely think you aren't committing a serious crime?

Can you give some sources regarding the Ethnic cleansing?

vrganj 3 days ago||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party

> Some of its key issues include [...] large scale remigration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration

> Remigration is a far-right concept referring to the ethnic cleansing via mass deportation of non-white minority populations

pixel_popping 3 days ago|||
How can you "remigrate" Swedish citizens? They are citizens. Are you talking about immigrants (who are guests in the country)?
SideburnsOfDoom 3 days ago|||
> How can you "remigrate" Swedish citizens? They are citizens

This is answered in the first para of the linked Wikipedia article. "remigration" is not the parent poster's term, your misunderstanding of it is not on them at this point.

> Are you talking about immigrants (who are guests in the country)

No. and also, that statement about immigrants is false as a categorisation.

addedGone 3 days ago||
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SideburnsOfDoom 3 days ago||
>how can you deport Swedish citizens

"You" ? Again, I ask you to do the reading and/or query the people advocating for such policies, and not me or the parent poster. Why do you persist in misunderstanding? We might be constrained by the bounds of law and making sense, but I do not think that the people advocating for such racist policies are.

> this whole talk is solely about immigration.

It is not, do not derail.

> is there any mechanism in the law ... If not

Are you ... are you seriously unaware that the party in power can literally make new laws? Or otherwise work around existing laws? Really?

Capricorn2481 3 days ago|||
> Are you talking about immigrants (who are guests in the country)

The party advocates for deporting people who are born in the country.

ShinyLeftPad 3 days ago|||
Who speak the language of the country and work productive jobs?
SideburnsOfDoom 3 days ago||
Yes, this the gist of this proposal by the ethno-nationalist right. That is what it says in the linked article above, did you read it? If you did, why do you ask more? If not, how is it that you care enough to ask?
ShinyLeftPad 3 days ago||
why do I care what random social media says about their policies if I can read what Wikipedia and Swedes say about it.

if they really want to deport regular integrated members of society who only differ for their color then I probably wouldn't agree with that policy of theirs if I was Swedish.

SideburnsOfDoom 3 days ago||
> why do I care what random social media says

The linked article above is literally Wikipedia. You are wasting everyone's time.

ShinyLeftPad 2 days ago||
Then you didn't read it clearly
pixel_popping 3 days ago|||
Why would being born in the country give you citizenship or the right to stay? The citizenship is inherited by blood in large majority of cases in the world, the child has the nationality of the parents, not just the country where you "give birth", if I stay in Thailand with my wife and she suddenly give birth there, you expect the child to be Thai even if both parents are European? :/

Deporting parents (thus with their children) is normal if they are staying in the country illegally without any sort of valid visa or permit, what's the alternative? Give citizenship to anyone crossing the border?

Capricorn2481 3 days ago||
> Deporting parents (thus with their children) is normal if they are staying in the country illegally without any sort of valid visa or permit, what's the alternative? Give citizenship to anyone crossing the border?

We are not talking about families or parents who visit a country for a few months and give birth, and you know that. We are talking about taking 15 year olds who have only known life in that country and deporting them to a country they've never been to.

> Why would being born in the country give you citizenship or the right to stay?

Because Sweden seems to think so? Many countries offer citizenship if you are born on soil, and while Sweden isn't one of them, it offers expedited paths to citizenship if you have lived in the country for a while. Because most people intuitively understand that there's no sense deporting someone who is more connected to Sweden than they are their home country.

pixel_popping 3 days ago||
The ones that have been in the country for 15 years should have a permanent residency already (if they don't, then it's very likely they came illegally), which is a valid long-term VISA, in which case I agree that they should not be deported, but the ones that don't have any valid visa, they should be, in what world do we allow people to stay illegally and then what, must steal IDs and forge docs to live correctly and get a job... I feel it also teaches wrong values to our children (it's fine to just stop renewing visa and overstay or just plainly cross another country's border without permission), it doesn't feel right

Only ~16% of countries are having right of soil, it's not really the norm and it's mostly actually with many conditions for most, a ton of people are against what's happening with immigration so it's not really Sweden thinks so type of deal here, it's mixed opinion, similar to the US.

redsocksfan45 3 days ago|||
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hackinthebochs 14 hours ago||
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everfrustrated 12 hours ago|
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BitWiseVibe 14 hours ago|
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culi 13 hours ago|
What are some other ways they've been known to be "right-adjacent"?

The Örebro Party in question actually split from the Left Party and describes itself as leftwing. The founder describes himself as a Marxist.

> While Allard has described himself as a Communist, and a Marxist, at its founding in March 2014 he defined the Örebro Party as "broad left". At that time the party considered itself a "local party that wants to carry on the labour movement's ideals", and "not interested in administrating the current society".

lyu07282 13 hours ago||
Forced mass deportation of immigrants and anyone not ethnically swedish (= dark skin) even if they are citizens, as well as calling anyone using social safety nets parasites, is just your standard far-right racist populism. There is zero class consciousness if you throw the weakest people with the least influence in society under the bus for your populism.

It's almost definitionally entirely the opposite of Marxism, since that's precisely about recognizing social conflicts caused by things like immigration and poverty as a bourgeoisie plot to divide the working class, to deflect it away from the actual problem. That's why rich people donate to far-right parties in the first place, it's in their class interest to do so.

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