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Posted by Risse 17 hours ago

The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party(det.social)
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PunchyHamster 16 hours ago|
> The Örebro Party (Swedish: Örebropartiet, ÖP) is a political party in Sweden. The party was initially only a local party in Örebro, Sweden. Markus Allard is the party leader. According to Allard the party cannot be placed anywhere on the traditional left-right spectrum. Some of its key issues include lowered wages for politicians, ending the tax payer funding of various sculptures, monuments and art, large scale remigration, a stricter immigration policy, and free dental care.[3][4]

I see no problems

raffael_de 9 hours ago|
me neither ... Mullvad is fantastic.
thendrill 16 hours ago||
I love how we pretend to live in a free democratic society where everyone is free to make up their own mind and vote for what they believe...

...as long as they don't have opinions that differ from ours, in that case we might punch em in the face...

bobusumisu 16 hours ago||
And everyone is free to chose not to buy products from people who have opinions that differs fundamentally from their own?

And some opinions cannot be tolerated in a democratic society. An obvious example is anti-liberal/anti-democratic opinions as they threaten the system itself. You cannot have a free democratic society if a majority removes the freedoms of a minority.

calcifer 16 hours ago|||
You have freedom of speech to advocate for your politics. The rest of us have the freedom of association to not want to be involved with you in any way.

These are not contradictory - they are both essential freedoms.

misnome 16 hours ago|||
> "punch em in the face"

Very weird interpretation of "voluntarily choose to not continue supporting them financially"

Presumably you want everyone to be forcibly compelled to finance the political parties they disagree with? And you would define this as a democratic society?

thendrill 16 hours ago||
Punishing a company because someone does something in their free time with their own money ....
gpvos 16 hours ago|||
The guy owns half the company, so a significant part of the money I'm paying is involved. Yes, it is quite ethical to decide based on matters like that. It's not an employee or minor shareholder.
flohofwoe 16 hours ago||||
Not doing business with a company (for any reason btw) is not 'punishment'. Nobody is taking away anything from the company or any people involved with that company.
krapp 16 hours ago|||
That's how markets work. People have the right to choose to do business, or not, based on whatever criteria they value.
colinhb 16 hours ago|||
For most people, the concern is the money, not the voting. People don't want wealthy people reshaping politics to fit their interests through their wealth. They can vote for whomever they want.
yaris 16 hours ago||
This sounds a bit irrational. Where does "wealthy" start? Mullvad co-CEO donated ~ $500K, would him donating $100K have the same effect? What about $10K? What if a Mullvad _employee_ donated $500K?
colinhb 15 hours ago|||
What about work in units of median annual household disposable income, which are at least somewhat responsive to the distribution of money?

What % do you think a reasonable voter should accept a person donating to a political campaign before it causes concern about the donor's influence vs the median household's voice?

Off the top of my head, I'd guess 500k USD is about 1000% / 10x median annual household disposable income in SE, which I think would give the median voter pause.

For what it's worth (my own view): I think about 10% (~5k USD) is obviously acceptable, and I expect most anyone would agree that donations at that level are fine. I think your proposed 1000% is obviously unacceptable, and I expect most people would agree with me on that as well.

I'm not sure exactly where the level is that opinion would flip, but I feel pretty confident about those boundaries.

gpvos 15 hours ago|||
A company shouldn't be able to fire an employee over their opinion,[0] so that wouldn't matter to me. For a major owner, the donation amount starts to matter to me around $5-10K, but YMMV.

[0] I suppose unless they have a very influential position and it's about a matter that contradicts main company goals

microgpt 15 hours ago||
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gpvos 13 hours ago||
Oh, come on. If you're trying to make a point, be more clear.
grim_io 16 hours ago|||
What's wrong with choosing who you give your money to?

Is that somehow undemocratic?

Is anyone censoring the guy?

flohofwoe 16 hours ago|||
> in that case we might punch em in the face

Nobody is calling for violence though?

In a free democratic society nobody is forced to do business with anybody they don't agree with, and free speech means they can talk about their decision without fearing repercussion.

loloquwowndueo 16 hours ago|||
So far in this thread you’re the only one mentioning punching anyone in the face.
peddling-brink 16 hours ago||
The Nazis are sad that people want to punch them in the face.

https://knowyourmeme.com/sensitive/memes/richard-spencer-pun...

qtk8 12 hours ago||
Surprised it took that long for a Godwin.
yde_java 16 hours ago|||
Haters will now say that the far right will destroy exactly that: "our" democracy. The Western morality is a joke, and many HN readers comment like an infant. I feel ashamed.
Nursie 14 hours ago||
Everyone is free to make up their mind and vote for what they believe.

And if I disagree strongly enough then I am free to take my business elsewhere. Especially if the money I hand over might go to support speech and parties I fundamentally disagree with.

Freedom swings both ways, and freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from people thinking you're an asshole and not wanting anything to do with you. That's their freedom.

OrvalWintermute 9 hours ago||
Seems to be intentionally defamatory

From the Wikipedia article on the Orebro party

“ Split from the left

The initiative to found the Örebro Party was taken in early 2014 by Markus Allard, who is also the first party leader. Allard had previously held positions as substitute member of the Örebro municipal council and district chairman of the Young Left in Örebro; in December 2013 he was expelled from the Left Party and its youth wing Young Left for "liking" the Revolutionary Front, a militant revolutionary socialist and anti-fascist organization, on Facebook and refusing to disavow it when questioned.[6] Allard has stated that the real reason for his expulsion was that he was perceived as a threat to the established party bureaucracy.[7][8]

While Allard has described himself as a Communist,[9] and a Marxist,[8][10] at its founding in March 2014 he defined the Örebro Party as "broad left".[9] At that time the party considered itself a "local party that wants to carry on the labour movement's ideals", and "not interested in administrating the current society".[11]”

Colours:

Red Black

This sounds like a socialist, anarchist or Ancap group that believes in borders

jrflowers 6 hours ago||
> takes inspiration from marxist ideology[42] and unites the "productive" classes of society against the "Transferiat", with the "Transferiat" being a term coined by Allard to describe the classes of society that lives off transfers that are a net negative for society

lmao This is like the song Tequila by The Champs but instead of a long instrumental it’s John Galt’s speech and instead of “Tequila!” it’s “Marxism!”

https://youtube.com/watch?v=U_JFLb1IItM

It is amazing that if you say “Marxist” after any possible combination of words some people will go “oh wow that is leftism”

Utter gibberish, like a picture of Ayn Rand wearing an ironic Hugo Chavez shirt.

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pluc 16 hours ago||
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