Tidal AI Policy - Hacker News

Posted by hn8726 9 hours ago

Tidal AI Policy(tidal.com)

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dude250711 8 hours ago|

A tide of slop.

sph 9 hours ago||

> Tidal will accept AI-generated music

Tl;dr. Another one bites the dust.

pier25 9 hours ago|

it won't be monetized so there's zero incentive to upload AI slop to Tidal

wakamoleguy 8 hours ago|||

There is only zero incentive if the filter detects AI music reliably. It's still a race between effective detection and cost to generate content, isn't it?

pier25 5 hours ago||

Suno et al don't really have a incentive to hide the fact that their tracks are generated using AI. Quite the contrary, the only way they won't get sued to death by UMG and the other big labels is to disclose AI generated tracks.

copperx 4 hours ago||

Doesn't Warner Music own Suno?

have_faith 8 hours ago||||

Why would someone doing that voluntarily tag their content as AI? they can make money by hiding it.

DrewADesign 8 hours ago||||

Unless they directly embed promotions in it. I could see this being an avenue for brand-derived fake artists. I wonder if they already have a policy for that and I wonder why it wouldn’t apply to, say, the beastie boys talking about adidas.

suyash 8 hours ago||||

They say only wholly produced music using AI can't be monetized, nothing stopping it's 95% AI and 5% Human. Also no concerete definitions of what that even means.

Imustaskforhelp 8 hours ago||

I think that they mentioned both wholly produced music or substantially produced music. I think that it will be a fuzzy line but for example in the case of 95% AI and 5% human probably won't work.

yawnr 8 hours ago|||

It won't be monetized until they create a new monetization policy where they get a greater revenue share from it.

cnobody 9 hours ago||

Funny, Tidal want pay royalties on it.

Kuyawa 8 hours ago||

Why demonetize? What if people wants to pay for AI music? What about the long tail? There is a market for everything, just label it and let it be.

elicash 8 hours ago||

If there's a market, then a competitor app with different policies will likely arise.

The other aspect that's missing from the discussion here is LEGAL. If Tidal is making money from stolen music -- although arguably they still are by offering it on a subscription basis -- then that opens them up to litigation. From that perspective, this may double both as risk-mitigation and also a marketing opportunity for them, would love an attorney to weigh in there.

(From the comments here, Spotify is the market leader and already pays out for AI generated music. But I can't say that independently.)

iamsaitam 8 hours ago|||

Then support your favorite AI music creators by going to their gigs.. oh wait

PierceJoy 7 hours ago||

Sure, if you're referring to people who actually play instruments or sing. Electronic music shows are mostly DJing though.

javier123454321 8 hours ago||

I appreciate a platform for art to at least attempt at maintaining the semblance of it being for humans. If AI 'artists' disagree, they can boycott Tidal and not post their songs there. For me that is a feature that I actually really value, because AI slop making Spotify money has materially worsened my experience in that platform.

butlike 8 hours ago|

> Starting today, AI-generated music will not be monetizable.

AKA: We will take the value, if any, AI-generated music gives, but we will not be paying royalties. This is a contradictory statement. How does the AI-generated music give value if the generated content is inherently worthless?

purerandomness 8 hours ago|

That's the neat part: AI Slop "music" will have to stop pretending that it has any value.

butlike 7 hours ago||

I think my comment is being misunderstood. I don't think AI music has any value. I'm just calling out that Tidal's right and left hands are saying two different things. The left hand: AI music has no monetary value. The right hand: AI music is valuable enough to host on the platform. This is the schism that doesn't make sense to me.