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Posted by spwa4 3 hours ago

EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on(www.politico.eu)
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dylan604 2 hours ago|
And all of those Europeans that had comments about the Texas ERCOT warnings of heavy loads during extreme weather. Although, it's been a while since I've received notices/requests to adjust the use even if they were bump it up a few degrees vs turn it off.
caycep 2 hours ago||
With new inexpensive mini splits that do not require ducts, one would think adoption would go up?
cineticdaffodil 2 hours ago||
Imagine offices- who have temperatures of 30+ directly beneath the roof. AC where the heat-exchangers are built inside the buildings and other nonsense on top. Europe is so not ready, while preaching to the world about getting ready.
Havoc 2 hours ago||
wow that’s an ugly look.

Kinda weird though even for Europe that a high profile 10+ floor commercial building doesn’t have suitable climate control

Varelion 3 hours ago||
Up vs down, always. Not surprising in the least.
invictati 2 hours ago||
The whole conversation about upper and lower floors is absurd. Obviously the upper floors are absorbing more sunlight and need more cooling.

Ground level and basement floors have been known as the coolest places in skyscrapers for centuries.

preommr 2 hours ago||
Except it wasn't the basement and first floor.

It was the first seven floors. Coincidentally, also the floors most of the higher-ups don't work on. Or at least that's how it's being reported, so I don't think people's outrage is absurd.

alistairSH 2 hours ago||
4pm on a Friday, people were likely already heading home. This is being blown out of proportion.

The broader discussion about AC in Europe is good to have, but this specific story seems to be borderline click-bait.

phendrenad2 2 hours ago||
Any building with modern (last 100 years) insulation is going to have relatively equal distribution of heat between the floors. Except the bottom floor, where people enter/exit and mix in outside air.
invictati 58 minutes ago||
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zuzululu 2 hours ago||
What really appalls me is that they have now started to blame Americans for the heatwave that the hot air from AC units are to blame and doubling down on their insistence that AC are harmful to the climate and telling people to not use AC.

I really think that this is the straw that breaks the camel's back moment for EU. Right now people are learning that EU = unbearable heat and other things.

otikik 2 hours ago||
If the people in the lower decks were allowed to go home, I don't see the issue.

If they were forced to work without air conditioning and it was me, I would go to a doctor, tell them I am suffering from heat exhaustion, and get a voucher for not returning to work until the situation gets fixed.

alistairSH 2 hours ago|
The shutdown began at 4pm on a Friday. So, yes, much of the building was on its way home for the weekend. And the higher floors are mostly allocated to the leadership/commissioners, who are more likely to work after hours.

Now, why can't the building handle running the AC without an emergency shutdown? No clue, seems odd to me, unless there was a neighborhood-wide power issue?

lysace 2 hours ago||
Related and a little ironic: houses in northern Europe nowadays typically have "AC" in the form of air-to-air heat pumps that both can heat and cool. Houses in southern and central Europe dramatically lag behind in terms of adoption.
rappatic 2 hours ago|
> Due to extreme weather conditions, forced shut down of air cooling system from floor 1 to 7 for the rest of the day

It's like satire. What is AC for if not extreme heat?

slillibri 2 hours ago||
When there is not enough AC, people sweat. It’s better for half to sweat to death so the other half can remain frosty.
Arnt 1 hour ago||
FWIW this happened on Friday afternoon and the AC was back in working order on Monday morning.
wongarsu 2 hours ago|||
Historically temperatures above 30C (86F) were rare in Europe, so thats what many ACs are sized for. Now they face 40C (104F), and many AC installations can't keep up

Shutting down AC on floors 1 to 7 likely allows them to get better performance on floors 8 to 13

mytailorisrich 2 hours ago|||
That's not true. Temperature above 30C are the norm in summer in Southern Europe (which means quite higher in the Sun and in a heat trap location). Now, yes 40C isn't.

But I am unconvinced that AC manufacturers have different "sizing"... An AC unit is for hot places and the outdoor unit may be in a very hot spots with ambient easily above 40C.

Edit: Yes, AC systems for a whole building are different but still the system on the roof experiences the full Sun and very hot conditions, this isn't the issue. Perhaps they simply badly designed it so that it hasn't got the capacity to cool the whole building when it's actually hot so they prioritised (actually now I get that this is what you meant). Obviously it is easier to blame "weather conditions"...

Arnt 1 hour ago|||
That building doesn't have the kind of outdoor unit you're thinking of, it has central climate control and gadgetry on the roof. You can see it on Google Maps.

Also 19 satellite antennae, if my count is right.

wongarsu 2 hours ago|||
Brussels is however not in Southern Europe

By sizing I simply mean the number and capacity of roof units. Cooling an office building down by 8C is a lot easier than cooling it by 18C. I doubt half the roof units are shut down. Maybe some are, but most will have their output redirected to cooling the top half of the building

mytailorisrich 1 hour ago||
In which case it would be just plain bad design if you can't have the whole building on AC when you actually need it...

Edit: it'd be interesting to know how many buildings in Belgium have had the same issue.

gambiting 1 hour ago||
You can leave it on when you actually need it - meaning all summer long, in the conditions that are typical for that location.

It's like saying what's the point of having a house if you aren't safe in it during a tornado. It's an exceptional event. The problem is that these truly exceptional events which only happened once every 10 days for a day or two, are now becoming a norm. My own 12k BTU minisplit could cool my house down every summer, no problem, even down to 18C if I wanted it to. But in the recent heatwave it just can't keep up, there is more heat coming into the house than the system can remove.

gambiting 2 hours ago||
Normal day to day cooling, I mean, obviously? Like if you have a system designed to operate in 25-30C(normal summer in most of Europe) but then you have a spike of temperatures going to 40C for a few days in a row, it shouldn't really be a surprise the system doesn't work in conditions it wasn't designed for? The compressor overheats and shuts down, especially if it wasn't installed in the shade.

Just like heat pumps for heating in winter are amazing for our regular mild-ish winters, but if you get a really cold spell and it drops to -35C, it's just not going to work at all to a point where it might not even start - you could also say "well what's the point of a heating system that can't heat in extreme cold".

The extreme is the keyword.

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