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Posted by clmul 3 days ago

Mir Books – Books from the Soviet Era(mirtitles.org)
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blackoil 12 hours ago|
I have very fond memory of these books. We are from lower middle class family in India. My dad was fond of books. Western books were costly, but Soviet and Chinese books were of high quality and cheap. So we used to get loads of them from book fair.
wolfi1 12 hours ago|
I, too, have very fond memories of Mir Publishers. I was on vacation in Greece and had a stop in Athens, where I found by chance a bookshop which had books from Mir. the shop had irregular opening times but I managed to get there as often as I could, the books were dirt cheap
stefanjpm 7 hours ago||
Anyone interested in Soviet-era anything could do worse than check out rutracker. It's pretty usable with in-browser translate. A lot of it is of course, just contemporary piracy of .ru and western media, but they have interesting archives too.
hiyer 8 hours ago||
We used to get these books in the annual international book fair in Delhi back in my childhood days. I still have 2 of them (Mathematics Can Be Fun and How The Steel Was Tempered), but I'm pretty sure we had several more at the time. They were fun reads, and the illustrations used to be great!
kumarvvr 8 hours ago||
I loved technical books from Mir publishers. Russian authors have a special place in my heart for explaining complex technical topics in concise yet engaging way.

Books like Problems In physics by I E Irodov were my favourites

zem 12 hours ago||
i have very fond memories of mir books from my childhood, especially yakov perelman's outstanding maths and science for fun books.
asxndu 13 hours ago||
Quick question.

What do soviets make great researchers? I noticed this pattern in ml, math & physics research.

Is it that they have better quality books?

physicsguy 13 hours ago||
They had a thing of encouraging talent and putting it in special schools to develop it. Then Maths reading groups etc.
nullorempty 4 hours ago||
Not only that. Corporations are filled with excellent software developers from Russia who did not go to any specialized schools or graduated from prestigious universities.
sirfz 3 hours ago||
They have a very strong DIY culture which I'm sure helps with making people explore and discover knowledge and develop skill
kdmtctl 12 hours ago|||
Math and physics are more theoretical in curriculum and less students can grasp, but ones who do perform better. So, higher input filter, earlier talent detection. Western education is more applied to a business, Russian is more like a generic theory. This makes Western schools prepare to develop, Russian to research. Note this is a generic distinction, MIT and Stanford are higher standards and provide access to field practitioners so my take it is genuinely provide more quality than MSU or Baumanka alike.
nullorempty 4 hours ago|||
Russians consider their profession a calling and try to be the best at it. Makes big difference when it's calling and not just-a-job.

I dunno what attitude russia's gen-z holds towards profession but in my time it was definitely considered a calling.

ricardobayes 13 hours ago|||
Loosely related

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/06/why-so-many-top-hackers-...

cyberax 12 hours ago||
Description of different developer mindsets when they encounter a problem with a tool from a vendor.

Americans: contact the vendor and report the issue. Then wait for the vendor to fix it, applying pressure as needed. Because of the delay, the product ends up being 6 months late, but then it works reliably.

Russians: curse the vendor, then use undocumented APIs and live code patching to work around the bug. The vendor is never told about the issues. The product is released on time, but it breaks in 1 year when the vendor makes an incompatible change that breaks the workarounds.

This mindset is very much a result of centuries of having to work around the government that is seen more as an occupying force rather than the will of the people. And it's very helpful when you're doing security research.

Incidentally, Jewish people also excel in security due to a similar cultural mindset.

drysine 11 hours ago||
>This mindset is very much a result of centuries of having to work around the government that is seen more as an occupying force rather than the will of the people.

How do you people come up with such stories?

ricardobayes 1 hour ago|||
This trope is very widely documented in Russian literature, in fact it's one of the "corner truth" of Russian existence.

Checkov, Gogol, Pushkin and Dostoyevsky all wrote novels with this exact plot, because it was so lifelike and tangible for all Russians (Soviets) to understand. If you're interested, check out The Bronze Horseman, The Overcoat, or Poor Folk.

shikshake 11 hours ago||||
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dsign 10 hours ago||||
I can't say anything about the "centuries" part, but the rest sort of checks. In those old soviet countries there was no such thing as "customer service", the politburo didn't get around inventing it and every economic cog was created from above. If a modern American had seen how things were done there, they would have wrongly assumed that a powerful pulp-and-paper lobby was in control. Also, when the thing in question was made in the West (which was often the case for high tech stuff), and somehow smuggled under the iron curtain and Western sanctions, customer support was unaffordable or simply out of reach.
cyberax 11 hours ago|||
I don't know... Maybe by growing up in Russia and starting my software career there?

To add some color, here is my favorite hard-to-translate idiom in a Russian developer community:

"File away rough edges" ("доработать напильником") - adjust something to work in a way that its original creator never even realized is possible. And usually for a good reason.

Of course, all generalizations should be taken with a grain of salt. They can never be used to judge individuals or even individual companies.

drysine 8 hours ago||
I still don't see how the government comes into play
Exoristos 11 hours ago|||
Americans were great researchers at the time, as well. During the Cold War era, Soviet culture included an ambition to rival and surpass American research and technology.
cyberax 12 hours ago|||
Competition. Nobody in the US cares about school math/physics/... olympiads. But they are/were a big deal in schools in the xUSSR.

There also was no centralized test system (like SAT) up until early 2000-s. People had to go and sit on entrance exams in each university where they wanted to apply. But winners of olympiads got automatic admission into good universities.

In addition, social sciences were a minefield in the USSR, especially subjects like political science or history. And hard sciences were safe.

StefanBatory 11 hours ago||
For entrance exams though... At least in Poland, we had them as well. They were corrupt.

Cheating was rampant, and a very common way for getting admitted was paying professors from that uni for tutoring - who would train them on the type of tasks they would do at that uni.

And it prevented you from attending unis far away a lot of time due to time contraints.

cyberax 11 hours ago||
Oh, absolutely. Especially for the top universities. That made olympiads even more important because they allowed students to bypass the exams.

And in the USSR, if you failed to get into the university, you were drafted into the army for 2 years.

FpUser 8 hours ago|||
They would still nail you after university. For 1.5 years instead of 2.
StefanBatory 10 hours ago|||
Same in Poland. My civics teacher in high school was a historian.

He hated that, he wanted to be a lawyer. But he didn't get admitted to studies, so he had to pick something close in order not to be drafted, and so he stuck with it.

vlian2088 8 hours ago|||
mostly because people had no option to leave the country.

also the salaries of scientists and engineers were notoriously shitty, so only those with passion for the subject studied it.

vhantz 7 hours ago||
Good thing we've overcome that! Today, in the land of the free, researchers' passion is rewarded with good salaries and working conditions. Right?
vlian2088 6 hours ago||
I assure you that Soviets did not have the kind of ```science``` that is temporarily defunded in the US.
throw-the-towel 5 hours ago||
Oh come on, Scientific Communism was even a separate discipline in universities.
vlian2088 2 hours ago||
yes, but Soviet communism was the "he who does not work, neither shall he eat" kind, not Cultural Marxism beloved by the Western academia. I'm sure even the people who studied hard sciences had to endure a few hours of commie bullshit each week, but just like in present day China, there were preciously few people who took it seriously. it was just nagruzka.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80...

>In the USSR, retail stores weren't allowed to promptly raise prices on popular items or lower prices on unpopular ones. One way to circumvent this was through "loading": stores would combine a popular (scarce) item with one or more unpopular ones into "food sets" on their order desks, preventing customers from purchasing the scarce item separately.

vrganj 13 hours ago|||
I think part of it is that unlike in the US, access to education wasn't paywalled.

Higher education in the US, with the exception of scholarships here and there, requires you to come from a wealthy background to afford the best schools.

In other words, it's more about perpetuating class privilege than it is about developing the best and brightest of a generation. If you're a genius with poor parents, you have to really hope to get lucky enough to get a scholarship.

In socialist societies, despite the claims often leveled against them, things were more meritocratic. If you're a genius with poor parents, you got access to the best education as that's what's optimal for society.

galaxyLogic 12 hours ago||
It's also about poor children getting worse primary education . According to Google "roughly 21% of U.S. adults are functionally illiterate".

If you never learned to read, good luck getting higher education.

I'm not defending communist societies like Soviet Union or China but I think "social democratic" countries like those in Scandinavia have shown generally good education outcomes.

selimthegrim 11 hours ago||
It's more like 4%
jdw64 13 hours ago||
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zkmon 9 hours ago||
My favourite publisher from the 70's and 80's. Only a specific town in South India used to have a shop that sells Russian books and communist literature. Travelled to that town and bought a few chess books. "Domination in 2,545 Endgame Studies" by Gary Kasparyan was always in my hands.
the-mitr 4 hours ago||
Here is the book, https://archive.org/download/domination-in-2-545-endgame-stu...

Maintainer/curator of Mir Titles here.

zkmon 2 hours ago||
That's very nice. Thank you!
bawis 9 hours ago||
Were they translated to Hindi or kept in their original language?
zkmon 4 hours ago||
English
rbanffy 6 hours ago||
I wish this kind of soft diplomacy was more common today.

It’s a lot cheaper than bombing schools.

actionfromafar 6 hours ago|
Well there's your problem. You can't grift the stock markets over a weekend with a shipment of books.
blackoil 11 hours ago||
Anyone aware of any official/private efforts in China or Russia to digitize or republish these books. Nowdays, finding these books particularly in languages like Hindi is very difficult.
Mikhail_Edoshin 3 hours ago|
There are private efforts in Russia, but mostly they digitize Soviet-time books written in Russian or maybe in other languages spoken in Russia. (As far as I know, that is; I am, of course, not aware of the whole field.) Mir published in Russian too, but here it mostly printed translated works, a lot of scientifical and technical literature, a foreign sci-fi series and such. It was like a two-way enterprise, connecting USSR to the world.

Officially all this does not seem to be supported in any way, I'm afraid.

iamshs 6 hours ago|
Soviet books were a boon to the world. I thank Soviet scientists.

https://valeman.medium.com/the-men-who-translated-the-machin...