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Posted by petethomas 6 days ago

The Family Keeping Watch over a 52-Year-Old Pot of Soup(www.wsj.com)
53 points | 44 comments
ilamont 2 hours ago|
Many years ago I saw a Japanese TV program that explored the food of southern Taiwan and one of the stops was a restaurant that had a 106-year old vat of broth. It was tall and narrow and had a giant hump of crust on one side.

If it's still open, it would be going for 130+ years at this point.

ETA: Found it. Established 1895, the year Taiwan was annexed by Japan. It's not soup, it's a meat sauce (滷肉) used on a noodle dish. Scroll down to the middle of the page, which shows the chef with the pot in front of him.

https://ksdelicacy.pixnet.net/blog/posts/5067270713

pphysch 1 hour ago|
Cool. The pot is surprisingly small. Is the sauce in it highly concentrated or something?
ilamont 1 hour ago||
Yes, 滷肉 ("braised meat") is highly concentrated. You can't eat the sauce by itself like a stew, it would be too rich. So it's usually served on white rice or in this case noodles.

The ingredients are typically finely minced fatty pork with soy sauce and strong flavorings like dried mushroom, garlic, star anise, and a fermented bean sauce that's super salty. Plus other ingredients that make the taste unique to the chef or shop.

abeppu 50 minutes ago||
I think there is an optimization question buried here. In tech lots of people have experience with A/B tests, which function on the assumption that you have a stream of fresh sessions which are independent. Multi-armed bandits, Thompson sampling etc give us frameworks for generalizing this towards finding the best option among a finite set of candidates, if goodness is fixed over time. This is kinda the opposite end of a spectrum: you get to run one policy at a time and the whole premise is that goodness is heavily state dependent. How do you decide whether to keep going with your current policy vs when to start over with another?

Sure, the soup is good ... but is it the best they could have after 52 years? By committing to maintaining one pot for so long, they pay the opportunity cost of not being able to explore related long-lived methods. If there's a different recipe that surpasses this one after only one year of simmering, they'll never find it.

At first I thought this might be related to the secretary problem, but of course if after 50 years of recipe B, you have the option of switching back to recipe A if it's better.

hintymad 11 minutes ago||
Wouldn't toxics like nitrites accumulate over the years? Also, I'd assume the purpose of perpetual soup is to concentrate the aroma and the taste, but is there going to be a diminishing return?
tonyedgecombe 3 hours ago||
Perpetual stew: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_stew
lithocarpus 50 minutes ago||
I've gone without a fridge for 8 years now and do something kind of like this usually - I'll cook a pot of food and then steam or boil it again after ~24 hours to reset the clock on it rotting. It's handy for things like eating a whole chicken or other large soup. I switch between being home and on the road a lot so my pot just comes with me and can be re-cooked on my car stove or my home stove. I tend to cook or re-heat once a day. Ideally I'd rather be sharing freshly prepared food with other people every meal and I do that when I can, but this works for when I'm feeding myself alone - cheaper and easier than any other approach.
kameit00 4 hours ago||
https://archive.is/syGNG
x______________ 2 hours ago||
One of the speculations as to how life was created on this planet: stable environments hosting hydrothermal vents over long periods of time.

Could perpetual stews over decades act in the same manner?

actionfromafar 2 hours ago|
Maybe! Let's try it in a sterile environment, a few million of such stews over a few millions of years.
julianlam 1 hour ago||
Forever soup isn't new, of course.

Poor families do it to cheaply make long lasting meals.

My late maternal grandmother used to have a pot of forever soup on the stove, and she would put whatever she had on hand in.

Spare ribs, check. Leftover veg, check. McDonalds fries, gross, but check.

zdragnar 1 hour ago|
One of my grandfather's favorite jokes whenever we visited was to yell across the house that guests had arrived, and to add some more water to the soup.

Of course, my grandmother was a farmer all her life before I was born, so she was always making far too much food (nobody ever left hungry was a mark of pride) but it took some growing up before I really contemplated the kind of life that joke would have come from.

And yes, always had soup going.

PyWoody 5 minutes ago||
It wasn't until college did I realize that "fill up on water" wasn't a normal response to a kid who says they're hungry.
thesuitonym 2 hours ago||
https://archive.ph/syGNG
cultofmetatron 4 hours ago|
I'm currently in bangkok atm. where can I go try this soup?
Alien1Being 4 hours ago||
https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Restaurant_Review-g293916-d87...

Actual customer reviews are less gushing than the WSJ article....

embedding-shape 4 hours ago||
Long time since reviews on the internet mattered one squat. Reviews can be because of everything from a jealus competitor, the platform asking the restaurant to pay to unblock favorable reviews/remove unfavorable ones, doing the opposite when you don't pay, or simple a bunch of people who basically fill the web with junk.

More often than not I have a great experience in restaurants with 2-3 out of 5 in ratings, and shit experiences with restaurants with 4-5/5 ratings, I've simply stopped reading reviews at all, anything with numbers on the internet is basically fuddled with nowadays.

voakbasda 3 hours ago|||
I discovers this 10 years ago with Yelp. I refused to pay, but still kept an account linked to Faceboook. When I deleted that account, apparently Yelp knew that and released some old negative reviews that previously had been hidden. One review was filled with lies, and I never had the chance to see it (much less respond to it) when I still had the account. That was the day that I learned what legal online extortion looks like.
x______________ 2 hours ago||
When publishing, it's always important to get a fresh viewpoint from an unrelated account/device to ensure nothing looks amiss!
flir 3 hours ago|||
City-level reddit subs have a fair idea where to avoid, I find.
tedeh 4 hours ago||
Its on Ekkamai rd, "Wattana Panich"
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