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Posted by soheilpro 11 hours ago

Monetization Gateway: Charge for any resource behind Cloudflare via x402(blog.cloudflare.com)
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dang 4 hours ago||
Can you please stop fulminating and posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments to HN threads? All of that is against the guidelines and you have unfortunately been doing them repeatedly.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

fantasizr 8 hours ago|||
when the law won't protect you it creates an opportunity for a mafia like protection racket
hedora 8 hours ago||
You realize humans are going to be the first wave of collateral damage right? I already basically cannot browse the internet for technical information, since most high-quality forums are behind captchas that block my iPhone.

If I ask an agent to do it, it does better at finding the small percentage of sources not hosted by cloudflare. However, it generally cannot hit open-access / public domain sources (like the current legal code, or academic papers) because those are blocked and it respects stuff like robots.txt.

axus 8 hours ago||
Would you be willing for Cloudflare to "Know their customer" (you) and pay 3 cents to access the forum, instead of filling in the captcha?
gilfaethwy 8 hours ago|||
Can't speak for GP, but I wouldn't - privacy is already eroding at a startling rate, and more KYC for things that really don't need it is just a further affront to human rights. (See also the FCC's recent request for comments on requiring government-issued ID to use a cell phone.)
carlosjobim 7 hours ago||
Are your human rights also violated by Spotify keeping track of what songs you listen to, or Netflix and YouTube keeping tabs on what shows you are watching?

Internet non-ad monetization will also be in the form of massive syndication, where a subscriber gets access to thousands of high quality websites, and web publishers get access to millions of subscribers. But they need to take a hint from streaming services and really make massive syndicates which includes everything for everyone for this to work.

hedora 7 hours ago||
Yes. In the past, in the US, library checkout records were private / not recorded, specifically to protect the right to privacy, which is specifically protected by the UN human rights charter.

The systems you described not only record that information and make it available for warrants, they also sell it, and allow warrantless searches of it in some circumstances.

colinsane 6 hours ago||||
i installed the playwright MCP to let my agent access walled sites (specifically ebay and WSJ). i noticed that 90% of the time it was bounced from a site, it just reached out to a different site that wasn't walled, and i think it's the right move: most information exists at multiple places on the web, it's cheaper and _faster_ to just skip over walled sources.

for the forum example: many forums have a policy to only allow access to attachments to logged-in users. i can't remember the last time i registered at a new forum just to view an attachment: the effect has always been to drive me elsewhere. no complaints -- these solutions work if your goal is to reduce load. i'm suspicious that they can drive monetization outside of a very few niches.

ryan_n 8 hours ago|||
I thought the goal was to only charge agents a fee, which would either 1. stop agents from scraping your site non-stop and eliminate the need for a captcha, making the human experience better or 2. make the owner of the site some money in exchange for a bajillion bots scraping their content.

Maybe that's too optimistic though based on the responses in this thread.

hedora 8 hours ago|
Presumably, like their captchas, this will completely break things like ad blockers, browsers with strict cookie policies, and probably things without hardware attestation.

Unless there's a privacy-preserving way this can be used to send money, then it's just another chunk of the surveillance state that's being rapidly erected over the last few years. The word "privacy" does not appear once in the article.

Even if it did, I'd be skeptical. If their payment system does allow money to be sent in a privacy and free speech preserving way, then it'll be used for money laundering.

This whole "agents bad" framing is complete BS. It's the reality of how people use the internet now, and, frankly, ad blockers have been a thing since forever. On the other hand, if successful, this infrastructure will give Cloudflare centralized control over internet publishing and also centralized surveillance of all users with no opt out.

Piracy is looking better and better. So does the small web. Come to think of it, the library does too. Any good solutions for non-destructively scanning books?