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Posted by thoughtpeddler 21 hours ago

Protect your right to run local AI(righttointelligence.org)
474 points | 165 commentspage 3
weare138 8 hours ago|
Just a suggestion, add a section with the relevant proposed legislature.
onesandofgrain 13 hours ago||
Pardon me, so they'll hunt down huggingface, ollama and china? I don't quite understand? What about the millenia of companies that provide apis for local llms and private companies that use local llms for privacy reasons? I don't even understand how you'd execute such a ruleset.
pixl97 9 hours ago||
I mean if you go into old AI safety discussion from before LLMs you'll see they don't do that. They go after new hardware. That's way easier than going after software. Hardware doesn't last forever and manufacturers will gladly cripple their cards and license powerful ones to businesses.
wesleywt 12 hours ago||
Dario and friends are fear mongering local models to get them banned.
no-name-here 10 hours ago||
“are”? Source? I've seen an absolute flood of “BREAKING:” claims online recently which are quotes from 3 years ago where all of their context is removed, or that quotes from 3 years ago are “because of GLM 5.2”, etc. https://www.techpolicy.press/transcript-senate-hearing-on-pr...
rhdunn 9 hours ago|||
Yes that clip [4] is making the rounds again in light of Mythos, but his stance (and that of others) hasn't changed ([3] is from a new interview).

[1] https://memeburn.com/amodei-says-open-source-ai-is-becoming-... [2 July 2026]

[2] https://fortune.com/2026/07/02/anthropic-fable-and-mythos-ar... [July 2, 2026]

[3] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S72ZRBSNHZc [2 weeks ago] -- Dario: "Now what I do worry about with some of these laggard models is the risks of them, where we have Mythos-class cyber capabilities, 12 months from now we'll have much better cyber capabilities. But the Mythos-class cyber capabilities may just be available for anyone to download."

[4] https://digg.com/tech/zx1bqifo

no-name-here 7 hours ago||
Thanks for the reply.

[3] - he does express worry over the risks of open models -- much as he has long expressed worry over his own models (and AI safety was the primary reason for Anthropic's founding) -- but he does not even imply that they should be banned, and he even explicitly says there is nothing that can be done to stop open models from being distributed.

For completeness's sake:

[1] The primary linked source seems to also be the 2023 testimony, albeit posted with a timestamp from this week.

[2] Does not seem to quote Dario, nor mention banning - I think you included this as an example of someone else who is explicitly worried about AI risks, including of models that can't be pulled back -- fair enough (although I can't see that they have any association with a frontier lab). If the argument is that many people have concerns about AI risks, including risks specific to open models, and who are not associated with a frontier lab, I agree with you.

SilverElfin 20 hours ago||
Given the state of corruption in politics, I think Anthropic and OpenAI will likely bribe … oh wait I mean “lobby” … for bans on open source. Otherwise their imaginary trillion dollar valuations make no sense.
stanislavb 20 hours ago||
This. They can see their valuations slipping. They hope that in a few/several years they will start reaping profits. However, in several years local hardware will be well suited to run models locally at 80-90% efficiency - for "free". You won't need frontier models for daily tasks in a few years. I'd guess.
anuramat 20 hours ago||
> 80-90% efficiency

wdym by that

> for daily tasks

which are?

glenpierce 19 hours ago|||
You get about 80-90% of the results for daily tasks like: getting summaries or explanations of complex material. Writing software tools for data analysis. Getting recipes for a given set of ingredients in the fridge.
numpad0 18 hours ago||||
128B-A16B class models at 10-50 tok/s should be plenty for most tasks done on computers
julianlam 17 hours ago|||
What do you need a frontier model for, really.
ekidd 16 hours ago||
Frontier models like Fable are mostly useful if you want to paste in one or two prompts, and receive a subtly broken application that looks impressive. That is very hard to do with local models today.

What current local models work fine for is delegating clearly-described tasks in a code base the programmer actually understands. Qwen3.6 27B and DeepSeek V4 Flash are both great little workhorses.

There's also GLM 5.2, which is kind of like "store brand Opus", and which might be considered a "near-frontier" model. I don't have as much experience with it.

int_19h 14 hours ago||
FWIW Fable is insanely expensive for the task you just described, so much so that I don't think it's practical for that. Its practical use is as a dev lead / architect / project manager model, doing planning and writing detailed feature specs and code reviews while Opus/Codex/Gemini does the actual coding.
windexh8er 20 hours ago|||
They already are. Altman is basically begging the US to buy into OAI, that's just the start. Both OAI and Anthropic are going to have to go down this path or their financials will never work out. Open local models are where the enterprise will need to go for any of this to be cost feasible, but we can almost guarantee this will be a battle nobody using AI will have asked for. You can thank Dario and Sam for the dystopian future that will pad their bottom line!
no-name-here 10 hours ago|||
> Altman is basically begging the US to buy

Where did you hear this? All the results I can find say the opposite that the US would buy anything.

no-name-here 7 hours ago||
If grandparent commenter means in the sense of being an incredibly heavy user of AI, that does not seem to be initiated by Altman or any AI lab as far as I can tell - by January, the Secretary of War (for example) had already announced that he was directing "the Department of War to accelerate America's Military AI Dominance by becoming an 'AI-first' warfighting force across all components"[1], which in turn was based on Trump's executive order 3 days after taking office (January 23, 2025) ordering the federal government to accelerate AI use[2].

[1] https://media.defense.gov/2026/Jan/12/2003855671/-1/-1/0/art...

[2] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/DCPD-202500170/pdf/DCPD-...

NonHyloMorph 10 hours ago||||
If you're assumptions turned out right what would be the benefit to preassume such an undertaking to succeed? As a warning of what to oppose, it imho conveys too much defeatist suggestiveness. Viewed as expression of a latent submissive desire (a perspective that might be offending, my apologies, but hopefully justifyable as food for thought/curiosity) a kent brookman "I for one welcome our new insect overlords" kind of vibe.
dominotw 18 hours ago||||
there will always be higher valuation for company inventing model+1 . no one wants to use latest_model -1 when their competiton is using latest_model.
windexh8er 17 hours ago||
If neither model+1 or model-1 are providing tangible value to the business does anyone really care, though? At a certain point nobody believes Chicken Little.

I get it. These models can be powerful. But will they be useful is a different question.

dominotw 5 hours ago||
right. thats the real question. Are models improving meanginflully for ppl to pay a premium for latest model or are they just a commodity.

i would argue that no one knows answer to that yet.

simon_brender 11 hours ago||||
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yogthos 18 hours ago|||
This whole situation is very reminiscent of how Microsoft was trying to get Linux and open source banned when NT started losing market share on the server.
byzantinegene 19 hours ago||
their desperation says alot about the viability of their business.
vasco 15 hours ago||
A better campaign would be Duty of Local Intelligence. About needing and remembering to use your brain, not demanding to have an AI.
vlian2088 7 hours ago||
no computer for you, then.
28304283409234 14 hours ago||
....and my abacus!
DoctorOetker 20 hours ago||
"12 acres and an LLM"
kajman 19 hours ago||
"I am eighteen years old, have a good set of passkeys, and believe in Sam Altman, the star-spangled banner, and the fourth of July. I have taken up a BLM lot, cleared up eighteen acres last year, and placed top of it a bitcoin mine. My vibe coded drop-shipping startup looks first-rate, and the conversion rate and total addressable market are bully.
elcritch 18 hours ago|||
Mock it we might now, but 12 acres and (not too distant future) open weights AI models capable of driving open source robots for farm labor would be huge.

No need for huge expensive purpose built tractors. Even if they’re slow you could have half a dozen running 24/7.

It could provide independence for anyone with a modicum of resources.

voidUpdate 14 hours ago|||
I'd probably want something other than an LLM running farming machines. I'd rather a purpose build machine learning system that is actually designed to run them, not just a tractor that goes "you're absolutely right! I ignored all the rules you set for me and harvested the wheat 2 months early. It's not just stupid, it's irresponsible"
Marha01 10 hours ago||
> I'd rather a purpose build machine learning system that is actually designed to run them

If generalist robotic models get good enough to accomplish many varied tasks effectively, training a separate comparable specialized system from scratch for every task would be highly cost-ineffective, even if, in theory, it could have slightly higher reliability.

mountainriver 17 hours ago||||
The new frontier! I love it
stonogo 17 hours ago|||
What do you imagine the farming robots will look like? I'm betting they look like expensive purpose built tractors.
wolttam 17 hours ago||
We're not going to go down the path of training a bunch of highly specialized models for tasks like "this tractor should tend this field".

We're going to (and are already on the way to) train deeply general models that can be told: "go tend that field."

And if that's the case, it no longer makes sense to build specialized, purpose-built tractors to house that level of autonomous capability. You instead put it in a humanoid frame (with a little extra sauce for locomotion of said humanoid), and get that to drive your existing tractor.

int_19h 14 hours ago|||
It's not an either-or. Generalist models can drive training of specialized models just fine. And while I haven't seen a generalist model decide by itself to train a specialized model to complete some large task, this seems like a natural extension of what they already do wrt writing their own tooling as needed.
elcritch 16 hours ago||||
Well true, that's possible. The sensors and compute are relatively expensive and tractors are already highly automated. Plus a small tractor can be relatively inexpensive and optimized for the mechanics of the task!

I'm thinking more of the small tasks that are often needed. Mending fences. Pulling weeds. Feeding chickens. Running off coyotes. Lots of things.

defrost 15 hours ago|||
And yet actual farmers veer toward Ag-bots - autonomous "tractors" that have no human driver and pull the same farming trailer that already exist - ploughs, seeding bars, spray bars, etc.

The greater question centres about who will tend the machines - 4,000 hectares of seeding requires a week and more of prep work on the air seeder, hoses, points, tines, etc.

wolttam 6 hours ago||
I would think that this is because those are what is currently available, and that this would change when actually capable humanoids start coming on to the market. It will become possible to re-use existing equipment (providing the largest uplift to farmers who haven't already begun the process of heavy automation, which is a lot of them when you look at a global scale). Humanoids will be more accessible than the bulking 8 ton autonomous "tractor".

Due to the scale of pre-training going on, it seems reasonable that a humanoid could also do a lot of the preliminary work you mentioned that currently is not (or rarely) automated.

On one hand I feel like I'm sure to catch some ridicule for saying any of this, on the other it seems like it is very obviously the direction we're headed.

defrost 6 hours ago||
How much current and past direct hands on experience do you have with mining and agriculture?

The Rio Tinto plans for automated mining of the Resolution Copper deposit in the USofA don't revolve about "humanoid" figures sitting in seats made for humans.

Large acreage continuously producing near fully automated tomato greenhouses don't work with humanoid shaped automata - they have poles with cameras and shaking mechanisms for pollinating, etc.

It's a much simpler fighter jet that doesn't have to carry a human.

muldvarp 15 hours ago||
What is this referencing?
defrost 15 hours ago||
Inflation adjusted reference to one of the great "Gotcha's" of US history.

* https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/01/12/376781165...

iLoveOncall 9 hours ago||
This is useless because AI has nothing to do with intelligence. It's just software.

You cannot ban local AI without banning local software which is obviously impossible.

Possession of software, even software that can be used for illegal purpose such as RATs and other viruses isn't illegal.

kube-system 6 hours ago||
There have been laws that control the distribution of software for decades.
pona-a 9 hours ago||
RATs do not require a datacenter to develop.
iLoveOncall 8 hours ago||
Ok? How is that relevant to the issue at hand?
pona-a 3 hours ago||
That a government has a much easier time controlling who's renting a building with the energy consumption of small city than what everyone's coding on their laptop?
chews 12 hours ago||
Why would we need safe harbor for electrons on hardware we control?
Bengalilol 12 hours ago||
As a future scenario where models become so efficient that _any_ model installed on _any_ computer could be considered "a national security risk"?

IDK, I don't live in the US, and I have no idea which "possible law" this website is referring to. In any case, it could be seen as a proactive effort to keep the gates open.

As a side note, I think this is a discussion every open-source supporter should have by actively considering the risks and what actions to take if such a hypothetical law were ever to pass.

vlian2088 7 hours ago||
because everything you take for granted is one `think of the children` campaign away from being taken from you.
nekusar 20 hours ago||
Llama, ik-Llama, Krasis, etc are already out.

The Chinese are the open ones, with free downloads, open weights, and loads of published research. The USA with OpenAI is some of the most closed shit out there.

tjwebbnorfolk 18 hours ago||
There's gpt-oss from OpenAI, gemma from Google, phi from Microsoft, granite from IBM, nemotron from NVIDIA, Ornith from DeepReinforce, Olmo from the Allen Institute.

Aside from that you're 100% correct.

wolttam 17 hours ago|||
One of these is not like the other
snootypoot 17 hours ago|||
compared to the chinese models those are all garbage. its almost as if there is a minimum effort being made just to later say "see, we werent always for the closed models, its just that the open stuff was so far behind". or maybe they think that an environment full of terrible models will push everyone harder into the closed stuff.
int_19h 14 hours ago||
Gemma is hardly garbage, even compared to the most recent Qwen of the same size.
landdate 16 hours ago||
llama is from meta
jdkdbdndks 15 hours ago||
Llama.CPP is not?
chrisjj 14 hours ago||
> Right to Local Intelligence

Misleading title.

The article is about local "AI".

dalmo3 14 hours ago|
Anything using the word "intelligence", unqualified, when referring to AI, is pure propaganda.
chrisjj 4 hours ago||
Anything using the word "intelligence", unqualified or not, when referring to "AI", is pure propaganda.
emsign 13 hours ago|
Now the investors try to hold the bubble together by regulatory capture. They must really fear the worst. A bailout is going to cost their puppet in the White House even the last supporters in his base.
dontwannahearit 10 hours ago|
No chance. Every despot has a cadre of true believers, the types who believe their great leader is playing 4D chess or that its all part of a greater divine plan.
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