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Posted by gslin 14 hours ago

The bottleneck might be the air in the room(blog.mikebowler.ca)
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gwd 12 hours ago|
I noticed this effect really strongly at university. There was one particular lecture hall that was effectively buried in the side of a hill; I can't count how many times I had an early afternoon lecture in there (so it had been in use since 8am), where I just could not focus or stay awake. Assuming sleep deprivation was the problem, afterwards I'd head out and lie down on a bench to take a nap, only to find myself wide awake. I have no trouble taking cat-naps when I'm actually tired, leading me to eventually conclude it was CO2 / O2 in the room that was the culprit.
sixtyj 13 hours ago||
A lot of CO2 is bad for thinking.

CO2 is just a tip as office or home is toxic environment anyway. Plastic (e.g. carpets), formaldehyde in furniture, air fresheners… add home office and cooking at home (-> small carcinogenic particles)…

If you start reading How not to die by Michael Greger, you find out that dust, soda and sitting - not CO2 - are real killers…

It's similar to how people think sharks and airplanes are the biggest killers - when in reality it is coconuts, mosquitoes, and motorcycles.

_def 13 hours ago||
How do you avoid/reduce exposure to dust? Genuine question
Dove 13 hours ago|||
Air filters, decluttering, regular deep cleaning, replacing dust-friendly surfaces and furniture (such as carpet, drapes, and upholstered sofas) with things like wood, vinyl, or leather. HVAC maintenance, cleaning, and filters. Washable allergen covers for things like pillows and mattresses.
hobofan 13 hours ago||||
HEPA-filter air purifier and a robot vacuum that is scheduled to run while your are not in the apartment (to reduce baseline dust) are probably the most simple/cost-effective measures.
throw-the-towel 13 hours ago|||
Use an air purifier, wear a respirator outside if you live in a polluted place.
Gigachad 13 hours ago||
Air purifier is good for PM2.5 and other microscopic pollutants but it doesn’t do that much for dust unless it’s particularly light dust and very close to the purifier.

Dust is much more likely to just settle on the ground and be kicked back up than it is to move all the way to the purifier to get stuck in the filter.

mrob 10 hours ago||
I have an air purifier with built in particulate sensor. It doesn't provide numbers, but has a multi-color LED indicator to report PM2.5 level as good/mediocre/bad/terrible. Running a vacuum cleaner that supposedly has a good filter consistently increases the reported PM2.5 level from the first band to the second. The air purifier (or faster/cheaper depending on the weather, just open some windows) can bring it back down again.
bebe9494i4 13 hours ago||
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sohpea 12 hours ago||
A reasonably popular brand's product that uses an NDIR sensor revealed to me just how much the CO2 level increases each night in my two bedrooms.

One of them seems to have much worse ventilation to the extent that it reaches double the level. Opening the window slightly 24/7 keeps it low.

My fiance's chronic headaches/migraines/idk became noticeably less frequent after this change and when they do occur it's usually because the window was accidentally left closed.

Anybody who struggles with this kind of thing might want to try checking their levels. Or just open a window I guess?

jumploops 11 hours ago||
Indoor air quality improvements were one of my “pandemic sourdough” activities.

After testing a variety of AQI sensors, I ended up acquiring multiple Airthings-branded devices.

They provided the best mix of CO2/VOCs/PM sensors in a single device with a decent enough app.

There may be better options now, but I have these at both home and office.

Highly recommend doing the research and learning about the environments you’re in, especially if you have little ones at home.

Edit to add: opening windows is usually the easiest/best solution!

teiferer 8 hours ago||
That article's message is spot on.

If your CO2 levels are that high then you should fix the HVAC system and get it up to code or lobby for fixing the code. In many countries, a full air exchange in any office space every X hours is mandatory. In other countries that's optional and they need to get their act together.

mort96 8 hours ago||
In most of the world outside of the US, having "an HVAC system" is extremely rare.
throwaway27448 8 hours ago||
Or just open the window for the world that doesn't have HVAC
relwin 2 hours ago||
My local library displays CO2 level on an inconspicuous wall fixture as part of the HVAC system. If the level gets too high large shutters (near the ceiling) open directly to the outside, supposedly as a failsafe. The head librarian said he's never seen them open in the past dozen years. After 20 years of patronizing this facility I now know a little bit more on its operation.
eitau_1 12 hours ago||
Can someone provide an explanation why CO2 concentrations above 1000 ppm have such a negative influence given the fact that CO2 concentration in lungs (at rest) never falls below 10000 ppm?
fer 12 hours ago||
It simply makes the baseline higher. If you want to go to extreme cases, check carbogen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbogen

Terr_ 12 hours ago||
I'm not a doctor, but I would consider it in terms of flow and throughput, rather than,—metaphorically—the amount of water the pipe can hold.
eitau_1 10 hours ago||
Per Wikipedia, at rest 500 ml of inhaled air is diluted with ≥2500 ml [1] of residual air in lungs containing ≥40000 ppm (4%) of CO2 [2]. Other things being equal, increasing concentration of CO2 in ambient air 10x (500ppm -> 5000 ppm) would increase concentration of CO2 in the lungs after taking the breath by less than 2.5% [3].

I imagine it could easily be compensated by an equivalently minor increase of breathing rate or breathing depth.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_exchange#Alveolar_air

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breathing#Composition

[3] 5/6 × 40000 ppm + 1/6 × 500 ppm = 33417 ppm; 5/6 × 40000 ppm + 1/6 × 5000 ppm = 34167 ppm; 34167 / 33417 = 1.0225

txoria 3 hours ago||
Sherlock Holmes disagrees: "I find that a concentrated atmosphere helps a concentration of thought. I have not pushed it to the length of getting into a box to think, but that is the logical outcome of my convictions."

As other commenters noted, it's more about dirty air than CO2 levels - so, logically, should not be a problem for everyone.

If article is really written by AI though, then what if it's PSYOP? The question to ponder then is: why AI wants low CO2 levels? Maybe, for people like Sherlock Holmes to lose a concentration of thought?

Beijinger 8 hours ago||
Ugo Bardi has an interesting take on CO2 and intelligence: https://senecaeffect.substack.com/p/a-new-interpretation-of-...
Qem 2 hours ago|
That's scary if confirmed. It took 500 million years for complex life to find the right mix of atmospheric O2/CO2 to foster intelligent lifeforms. Then we are undoing it in mere centuries.
cwoolfe 2 hours ago|
I noticed this when comparing my experience in open offices with lots of airflow to the cramped spaces of our WeWork co-working space. I could feel the difference. Also one time I slept in a small basement room with no ventilation. I woke up at 3am feeling like I couldn't breathe. I opened the door and felt better.
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