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Posted by ustad 10 hours ago

Fast Software, the Best Software (2019)(craigmod.com)
102 points | 53 comments
MomsAVoxell 4 hours ago|
Yes, there are so many examples of this .. a recent one for me, is iStatMenu .. it just got to the point that waiting for it to start, alone, was sufficiently boring enough that I sought an alternative .. and of course, I realized, there's no reason not to use the Linux tooling I'm accustomed to, and so I have btop where iStatMenu used to live, kinda. btop doesn't get in the way, doesn't phone home, doesn't check a registration key, isn't harvesting key clicks, and .. so on .. its just small, light, and fast.

Well, with the encumbrance of it living in a terminal window, but I also live in the terminal window even on MacOS, so its a feature not a bug.

Point is, I wouldn't have this to say about it if iStatMenu had just been a little more discrete about its loading times ..

ivanjermakov 5 hours ago||
> Google Maps has gotten so slow

When it comes to navigating (except public transit), hiking, and route building, Organic Maps[1] is very good. OSM data and offline-first is the way forward for detailed and _fast_ map experience.

For cycling route building I have to mention BRouter[2], which allows you to write a custom cost function that is used to tweak your route preferences.

[1]: https://organicmaps.app/

[2]: https://brouter.de/brouter/index.html

hansvm 3 hours ago||
I remember an engineer I talked to recently saying that OSM didn't have sufficiently up-to-date data for their routing use case -- new roads, closed roads, traffic data, etc. Is that the case?
rurban 2 hours ago||
No. It's their route function which sucks compared to Google maps. Their data is better and newer.
dmurray 1 hour ago||
Isn't OSM the data layer, and people are free to build apps on top of it?

"The data is better than Google maps, it just needs a better routing algorithm" should be catnip to a certain class of OS dev. If it's really true, I'll take a crack at it myself!

rurban 1 hour ago||
Do it! Google routing is open source in or-tools
titanomachy 5 hours ago|||
Cool! I'm guessing no traffic data in organic maps? I'd still install it to use as a backup.
carlosjobim 2 hours ago||
https://www.cycle.travel is also excellent for cycling routes. Made by a solo developer as far as I remember.
countWSS 4 hours ago||
The neglected part here is latency, speed itself can be masked by progress bars/animations, but having visible lag ruins the idea of speed and users treat it as slow vs animated loading bar.
archargelod 4 hours ago|
Maybe it's me who's weird, but I find animations as much worse - it's basically pointless and wastes slightly more time (even when program is fast enough!).

The interface without animations feels snappier even if sometimes it takes a second to load. I disable any and all animations in software that I can - particularly in Android (via developer settings) and Linux (i3+vim vs something like KDE+VScode).

kazinator 2 hours ago|||
Some tiny amount of animation is needed to show that the system has responded.

I regularly use a website in which a submit button does not change state in any way. It is indistinguishable from the click having gone to /dev/null. And the completion of the action takes a copule of seconds.

It's literally, "no response ... few seconds ... oh, done!"

If the button simply responded in the usual way, like 3d poppin in and out effect, it would be better. The UI can change state also to show some "wait ..." text.

These are examples of animations, just not progressive/persistent.

qup 3 hours ago|||
As a kid I liked the interfaces that lagged badly, but still accepted input perfectly.

It felt like I was racing. Type the whole message before the screen updates? Check.

I miss AOL sometimes.

ungreased0675 6 hours ago||
I run headless Alpine Linux (a minimal distro) in my homelab and it’s fast AF. The lag in Windows Explorer is sad when something like cd folder/folder is instant in Linux.
marginalia_nu 5 hours ago||
I really don't understand how you can even create software that feels as bad to use as Windows Explorer. It's like it's barely attached to reality. There's this weird floaty delay in everything. You copy a file, or did you? You're not sure. It hasn't updated yet. Oh, now the copy dialog appears with this progress bar that isn't showing progress. The dialog just sits there. Is something happening? I don't know. Many seconds later the dialog closes. But it hasn't showed up in the window yet... oh, now it did!

How is that even possible, especially with modern hardware? Like you'd almost have to build the file explorer around like a sqlite-based message queue with a 1500ms poll interval to get performance characteristics like this. Absolutely insane feats of architecture astronautism are no doubt required for this to happen.

gmm1990 2 hours ago|||
It’s probably got phone home a few times to to make sure they’re measuring user engagement
fuzzfactor 2 hours ago|||
>I really don't understand how you can even create software that feels as bad to use as Windows Explorer.

I was wondering how bad a sign it was when the decline in performance between Windows 95 and Windows 98 was detectable in many ways, but nobody was complaining because it was not always noticeable on PCs that were 3 years newer. You had to figure Microsoft developers had way better PCs than that, and didn't have any clue at all.

Turns out my suspicions were correct, it was the insidiously ignored ramp-up to exponential amounts of sluggishness as time marches on.

You know, like a snail without a shell :(

prodigalknight 5 hours ago|||
To be fair, cd folder/folder is also instant in a command line in Windows, it's just the GUI aspects that are slow. Comparing Windows Explorer to a terminal is comparing apples to oranges.
bayindirh 4 hours ago||
I don't think so. Windows is a GUI first OS, and Linux is a CLI first (or even CLI native) OS. You can't open a command line window in Windows without loading more than half of the desktop stack.

In that sense, when a terminal (running on a desktop environment) in Linux is faster than Windows Explorer, it's a shame. When a big file explorer like Dolphin drives circles around native file explorer of Windows, that's a big ole embarrassment.

sgarland 5 hours ago||
I don’t think I’ve ever noticed a difference in speed on the terminal between distros. Shells (or more accurately, plugins / frameworks - I recently gave up oh-my-zsh in favor of zimfw for that reason), yes, but not the terminal itself.
giovannibonetti 4 hours ago||
Shout-out to PowerSync for making it easier to develop fast offline-first mobile apps. It pushes data from Postgres/MySQL/SQL Server subscriptions to a SQLite into the user's mobile device, avoiding the need for many loading animations when the data is there ahead of time. My company is a customer and we recommend it.
rurban 2 hours ago||
Also called: "Death by PM"

Esp. known from Microsoft, Adobe, Google. Should be added to the Antipatterns repo

kazinator 2 hours ago||
If the software is fast as a byproduct of being simple, that tends to align with correctness.

If it is fast because it is optimized, then that does not align with correctness, because optimizing something that works only adds risk.

snek_case 22 minutes ago|
Simple software is also easier to optimize. The simpler it is, the less weird corner cases you have to deal with.
rossant 7 hours ago||
I fully agree. I loathe slow software. I hate bloat. I love fast software. As a developer, I'm completely, even irrationally, obsessed with speed, performance optimization, and profiling. I wish more developers felt the same way.
Sesse__ 3 hours ago||
The sad part is that most employers don't care particularly about performance optimization skills (the economics don't work out, they can often just fix the problem cheaper with more hardware—and even if they can't, they mostly don't bear the cost themselves).

The fun part is that when your employer _does_ care about software optimization, few people are actually good at it and your skills are more exclusive :-)

coldblues 4 hours ago|||
Irrational how? What higher values does it undermine for you to make fast software?
didgetmaster 4 hours ago||
OP is probably referring to many engineering managers who think it is irrational to spend an hour in order to speed up a computing task that only shaves a few milliseconds off.

Even when that software is widely used so the few milliseconds add up to thousands of hours in collective time savings. 'We don't pay for user's time, only your's', is the attitude. Again 'irrational'.

jonhohle 6 hours ago||
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
mwkaufma 3 hours ago||
Shout-out: Voidtools Everything on windows. Lightning fast file search.
wseqyrku 5 hours ago|
I think it's the different feeling you get from using an end-to-end streaming service (compute, not videos) versus the one that does a lot of intermittent buffering. It's quite subtle actually. Using a vanilla language model can feel like that if it's also sufficiently small but they are going towards the opposite direction very rapidly now because cloud.
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