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Posted by tosh 5 hours ago

Organic Maps(organicmaps.app)
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storus 43 minutes ago|
I tried to use it while biking but it's extremely confusing for bike trails (colors and parallel routes display, not highlighting real bike trails). I vastly prefer mapy.com in just showing a simple red dashed line for any official bike trail. The elevation is also displayed in 50m increments which is too little for bikes.
resters 4 hours ago||
I'm very pleased to see open source mapping/navigation systems. I have had the hypothesis for a while that many of the UI/UX designers on the google maps team do not actually drive a car.
01284a7e 3 hours ago||
People at Apple are not left-handed, they don't drive, they don't work out, and they don't seem to go out in the cold very much. Oh, and they definitely don't play video games.
throw-the-towel 3 hours ago||
IDK, my hypothesis is that they only go anywhere by car. The way they hide public transportation and pedestrian-only streets sucks.
bruce343434 4 hours ago||
Is there a nautical map equivalent of osm or organic maps? One that emphasizes waterways by drawing them thicker when zoomed out like regular maps draw roads thicker? Plan routes over the water? Even google maps lacks a nautical layer.
bmitch3020 4 hours ago||
The OSS tool for nautical charts is OpenCPN.
shiandow 4 hours ago||
OsmAnd has a nautical map plugin you can enable.
jboss10 3 hours ago|||
The plugin is just part of why OsmAnd is good for nautical use, there is also an alternate view in the configure map menu for nautical use.
RobotToaster 3 hours ago|||
For some reason osmAnd was the only GPS map that would work on a flight for me.
ravenstine 4 hours ago||
Organic Maps a great app in many ways, but I still don't get how people can actually use it every day and say it replaces Google Maps when its search feature totally stinks. I know it's a hard problem, but this is the number one thing that needs to somehow be fixed. I can't tell if I'm just too dumb or if FOSS/degoogle fanboys are just pretending. I just know I've tried to use it exclusively many times and always had to give in to Google Maps because the search totally failed.
ivanjermakov 1 hour ago||
This is more about OSM than Organic Maps, and I agree that looking for businesses it's not great. But looking for mapped features such as toilets, water taps, benches, fountains, etc. is far superior.
fuzzy2 4 hours ago|||
I actually think the search feature rocks, because you have high fidelity OSM maps to query. Can't search for drinkable wells in Google Maps!

But then, it of course isn't Google Maps. It is likely to be more out of date and will not understand "natural" search queries as Google does. I believe it just takes some getting used to. There is overlap between the two, each service has its strengths and weaknesses, but also unique features.

pipo234 3 hours ago||
+1 That, and it works in mountainous areas like the Alps or Pyrenees, where you're lucky to have GPS and most definitely can't rely on 4G for Google Maps
maelito 3 hours ago|||
We the FOSS world just have 100 to 10000 less budget to implement this feature. It's a hard problem, and you can't ignore that lots of other features are missing. E.g. street view or place comments.

I'm working on https://cartes.app and we're well aware that search is not on par, far from it. But we have hundreds of other features and bugs to fix. https://codeberg.org/cartes/web

InsideOutSanta 4 hours ago|||
I guess it depends on how you use Google Maps, but I mainly navigate to addresses, and Comaps works fine for that.
mac3n 4 hours ago||
search greatly improved in the past couple years. try it again?
ravenstine 4 hours ago||
I thought I updated the app before my recent backpacking trip in Europe, but I will give it a try again.
eisa01 4 hours ago||
E.g., in the CoMaps fork test builds there is now a change to prioritize nearby places more

https://codeberg.org/comaps/comaps/pulls/4604

everybodyknows 2 hours ago||
Another CoMaps Search issue:

https://codeberg.org/comaps/comaps/issues/4449

informal007 1 hour ago||
I had my first hiking in a route without network connection one month ago, that was the first time I used the GPS without network by Organic Maps even I knew I could do it in the past. It showed me the possibility that some feature work well without network. It's a really good experience.
scanny 2 hours ago||
This is my regular hiking and cycling map, fantastic for offline use as well!

Edit: didn’t know about the ads / proprietary server issues. I guess this is the only sort of place to find out unless users are browsing the GitHub repo.

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago||
How does this compare to AllTrails for discovery, tracking and accuracy?
ivanjermakov 1 hour ago|
I had bad experience tracking my bike ride with it on iOS - seems like app offloaded and didn't record half of the track. Strava and OutRun don't have this problem.
pi-victor 3 hours ago||
For offline use I use pocket earth https://pocketearth.com/ I'm pleased with it, it's one of the best out there.
NoboruWataya 3 hours ago||
I use OrganicMaps a lot for long walks and it's great. Works perfectly offline if you have downloaded the map of the region beforehand, which is helpful if you are in an area with poor reception or just want to conserve phone battery by turning off data. And being OSM, it is great for showing less prominent paths/trails and other useful info like drinking water sources, picnic benches etc. And supports importing GPX trails. So IMO it's way better than Google Maps for this use case.

It's also very easy to edit some basic data through the app so if you notice an error in the map it's usually possible to fix it right there and then.

dwa3592 2 hours ago|
This is exciting!! I was not aware of organic maps until today. I use offline maps in google maps also. It's not fully private if it requires GPS connection though!! That's why I have been working on https://github.com/deepanwadhwa/anumaan for a while now. The focus is on navigating without internet and without GPS.
jraph 2 hours ago|
> It's not fully private if it requires GPS connection though!!

How so? GPS is like FM radio: you send nothing, you only receive.

Apps like organic maps or comaps let you use the maps fully offline and you can compute itineraries without GPS when your need this (from point A to point B, with as many stops as you wish).

I strongly recommend you to seriously look into comaps or organic maps if you don't know them.

Now, "GPS isn't working or depletes my battery, what do I do?" is an interesting topic worth looking into. It seems you are trying to automate what we all do when GPS doesn't work well. I find that relatively easy in a city, not so much in a road on the countryside.

etdznots 44 minutes ago|||
With the important caveat though that a lot of devices use AGPS, I don’t understand in too much detail and I think on some devices it can be disabled but I think this reveals some info
wasting_time 2 hours ago||||
They may be thinking of Google's coarse location feature where the handset checks SSIDs in the proximity against Googles database for fast lookup.
jraph 52 minutes ago|||
Oh yeah, makes sense didn't think about this especially since I don't have the google services.

That's not really GPS anymore so when discussing the topic it would be worth being exact on this.

dwa3592 1 hour ago|||
This is correct but if the phone's internet is off, there is no way for BSSID look up but maps might collect this in the background for telemetry and send it to the server once the internet is turned back on.
dwa3592 1 hour ago|||
You are largely correct about everyday location privacy but I was thinking more in the adversarial direction (read military/ GPS denied zones) when I started this work. There have been news about GPS being denied/spoofed over european region. When your phone can't get the GPS signal, it would try to retrieve alternative signals (A-GPS, cellular network etc) - this is where an adversary could be listening for leaks. So GPS denial could effectively be a trigger and the follow ups after that trigger could lead to leaks.
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