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Posted by scrlk 12 hours ago

Real-time map of Great Britain's rail network(www.map.signalbox.io)
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youngtaff 8 hours ago|
Although it's a bit rougher design wise I prefer https://traksy.uk/live

Amongst other things it shows all the signalling segments so you can actually see where your train is when waiting e.g. https://traksy.uk/live/T+CDU+BRI+d+@2026-07-06T15:00/S+G1548...

nephihaha 10 hours ago||
A couple of obvious observations: * Does not include Northern Ireland or the Isle of Man, both of which have notable rail networks (as they are not in GB). * Does not include heritage railways. There are a number of other railways on here which are not marked but offer tourist travel.
inglor_cz 12 hours ago||
I remember my colleague from MFF UK, Robert Babilon, producing his first real-time map of Czech trains in 2004.

The page, called Babitron, still exists and still keeps that delightful 2004 look. I visited it a few days ago. Unfortunately today there is a message "We are moving Babitron to a different server", so the link isn't working.

https://kam.mff.cuni.cz/~babilon/zpmapa2

user36188 11 hours ago|
from the official railway administration: https://mapy.spravazeleznic.cz/vlaky
dboreham 7 hours ago||
For the similarly confused: it displays times in your local browser time zone, not the time zone of the actual train. I'm pretty sure this is an oversight since there's no universe in which I want train times not in their native time zone.
k2xl 10 hours ago||
Would be cool if these could animate/interpolate to their next position
_joel 10 hours ago|
they do?
IshKebab 11 hours ago||
Is this actually based on GPS (or similar) on the trains, or is it just interpolating signal times (which are waaaay coarser)?
greengreengrass 9 hours ago|
Not affiliated with the site, but it's almost certainly just the Train Describer feed from Network Rail to observe headcodes stepping through berths, and then doing some proprietary interpolation within berths to guess where the trains are, probably using fairly coarse inputs like train class, rolling stock type and line speed. It's possible it's not even doing that, and they have just built a model that observes typical passage times between berths and they average that out.

TRUST (reporting system that describes train movements as they've happened) does accept updates by means other than the Train Describer, which might include GPS if the unit is equipped, and in many areas is dependent on signallers making manual reports (which may not be made immediately). They might also use TRUST as a data source, especially in non-Track Circuit Block areas. The rate of GPS updates is not going to be anywhere near as frequent as those train position indicators that appear to move here in "real time" across the map, so however they combine data sources, their site is trying to be clever in guessing train location.

It goes without saying: this sort of map is highly likely to be wildly inaccurate and isn't useful for anything safety-critical.

IshKebab 7 hours ago||
Do trains have real time position sensing and reporting now? Feels to me like that should be something that could (and should) have been done 20 years ago at least. You don't even need GPS - even wheel-based odometry should work very well. Visual odometry can be used to detect wheels slipping if necessary. Hell you could probably count sleepers.
waiwai933 7 hours ago||
Newer fleets will have GPS units on board that report back to Control, but it's not universal and I don't believe there are industry-wide standards or APIs. Signalbox is definitely extrapolating from TD/TRUST/Darwin, not GPS reports.
singularity2001 6 hours ago||
Now "Jetlag the game" HAS to shoot their next episode over there
scoot 10 hours ago||
I live next to a railway line so I'm in the (not particularly unique, and definitely not enviable) position to compare what's on the map to "IRL" trains, and I can tell you it's as good as useless.

  - Trains appearing on the map that aren't anywhere to be seen on the tracks.
  - Trains on the tracks that don't appear on the map.
  - Trains moving away from the station that according to the timetable view shouldn't have left the station yet.
  - Trains on the map seemingly stopping and changing direction, only to reverse course once again.
The map shows a single line segment for what is in fact a multi-line stretch of railway. That's okay as a simplification (I guess), but the icons aren't pinned to the line, so appear to be driving off the track, or even on the adjacent street.

As for realtime - even if the data was accurate and timely, a 2Hz refresh rate most definitely isn't realtime.

Sorry if it seems like I'm shitting on it - it's a fun toy, but I wouldn't depend on it for anything important.

greyday 6 hours ago||
I'm also close enough to a railway line to see the trains. There are two lines near us - a fast line (that I can see) and a slow line on the other side of the estate. The map showed a train moving (quickly) on the slow line, at just about the time I saw it fly past out my window. So it isn't even accurate as to which line the train is on.

Possibly useful as a funky station arrival board, but overlaying that data on an actual map is a bit misleading.

greengreengrass 9 hours ago|||
There's no way its input data is anywhere near adequate for the rate the position indicators refresh, so it's taking some base data and then just... guessing the rest.
windowliker 10 hours ago||
>it's a fun toy, but I wouldn't depend on it for anything important.

This could be said for the rail network as a whole.

Neglect and underinvestment over the last 60+ years has left it in a sorry state, and debacles such as HS2 show how government has no ability to deliver proper material upgrades to the ageing infrastructure and service. The direction of travel (scuse the pun) has been clear since the Beeching cuts: roads are the priority. Add to that Neoliberal divestment policies and we end up where we are today: overcrowded, filthy, ugly trains barely fit for cattle transport and chronically understaffed stations and train crews. Not to mention the extortionate prices for a ticket to travel on the network.

I adore rail travel, but dread the necessity of using it any time I go on a journey.

addysan 8 hours ago|
yeahh
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