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Posted by firephox 5 hours ago

Aluminum foil (2021)(dernocua.github.io)
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codazoda 3 hours ago|
I just skimmed and read parts but I really enjoyed reading this. It's like my own handwritten notes which are just stray thoughts about a subject. Maybe I should publish more of those and I love the idea of just musing about a single thing, like Aluminum Foil (though it's very interesting stuff).
sigeonpex67 1 hour ago|
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vessenes 4 hours ago||
I was enjoying the ADHD hyper focus writing, kind of following along, then:

  > If we figure that the foil can meaningfully change direction every 20 μm, then we might think of an aluminum-foil machine as being made of “moving parts” on the order of 1000 μm² (50 μm × 20 μm), 1000 “parts” per square millimeter of foil; a roll of kitchen aluminum foil is enough to fabricate some 4 billion “parts”. A bootstrapping compiler might require 100 000 parts and thus a square centimeter of aluminum foil, cut and folded around into a shape a couple of millimeters in diameter. If it were doing only one thing at a time, and needed 10 seconds to construct/assemble each moving part, it would take about 12 days to recompile itself. This is probably adequately fast, barely, but probably not adequately robust against errors. It would probably be better to design it to have more parts and do many things at once, enabling it to be faster and correct errors.
Um, what? I'd like to see a sketch of this 100,000 part compiler very much. I have no idea what he/she is talking about here, in the slightest. But I am intrigued!
wgd 4 hours ago||
I've read a lot of his other writings so that context might be informing my reading here but it sounds like he's pretty straightforwardly discussing the potential of aluminum foil as a uniform-feedstock-slash-construction-material for a hypothetical self-reproducing microfabricator.
kragen 1 hour ago|||
I do not currently have a sketch of a matter compiler, just a rough estimate that most of its parts count would probably be RAM, and that it probably needs several kilobytes of RAM.
Perz1val 1 hour ago||
It reads like a rambling of a mad scientist, but I think simply adding pictures would make this feel absolutely normal (in the crowd of other blogs featured on hn)
secretslol 4 hours ago||
Another thing not mentioned on there about aluminium foil is how clean it is. We work with a laminar flow hood and pull a fresh layer of foil anytime we are working to create a clean base to work on. I can guarantee you that if you run a swab over a fresh sheet of foil and smear it onto sterile nutrient agar that it won't grow anything - that said, we use costco foil which is thicker gauge and not the budget thinner stuff which is definitely inferior.
Perz1val 1 hour ago||
Wasn't it a think that "stuff" dies on exposed metal?
secretslol 5 minutes ago||
I think it's the high-heat manufacturing process which kills all microbes. Spores would be unaffected by aluminium foil, so it's defo something else like heat is my thoughts - basically being sterilised during manufacturing.
MezzoDelCammin 2 hours ago|||
any tips on how to reliably get that "thicker gauge" one? I've been craving it since maybe 20y ago when I got a roll from my old stint in a restaurant. I've tried buying some rolls by "heavy duty" labels and these days it's just as likely to be one of those thin "look at it funny and it tears".
secretslol 1 hour ago||
Costco sell two different types of foil, one is shorter and has blue packaging and the other is longer and has red packaging... It's the red one which is much thicker.
kragen 1 hour ago||
I had no idea about that!
unchocked 3 hours ago||
Worth noting that aluminum is the most abundant metal of the Moon’s highland geography, thus excellent for bootstrapping beyond Earth.
Sharlin 3 hours ago||
Aluminum is honestly a miracle material that has no business being as inexpensive as it is (of course, this is only since the invention of the Hall–Héroult process, before which aluminum was one of the most expensive metals known despite making up ~8% of the crust).
ceejayoz 2 hours ago|
Yup. The very tip of the Washington Monument was made of aluminium, which made it faaaaaancy. Two years later, not so much.
0xWTF 3 hours ago||
Amazing. This reads like someone left Hunter S. Thompson alone with a roll of Reynolds Wrap.
kragen 1 hour ago|
Thank you.
proee 4 hours ago||
Im interested in using honeycomb aluminum panels for some projects but curious why its so freaking expensive?
scythe 2 hours ago||
There's even a song about it:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=urglg3WimHA

sigeonpex67 1 hour ago|
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