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Posted by bilsbie 19 hours ago

How to sequence your own DNA at home(bradleywoolf.com)
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whatever1 19 hours ago|
What is the accuracy in this ? Aka if I run the experiment 10 times how many differences will i get? I don’t have a physical sense on what would be a good number.
myhf 18 hours ago||
You would get a lot of differences, but the errors would cancel each other out with enough depth of coverage.

This technology's baseline accuracy is around 95% per base, so 10x reads of every segment in the sample would give >99% accuracy for each base after aligning the reads with each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coverage_(genetics)

Jules-Bertholet 18 hours ago||
> so 10x reads of every segment in the sample would give >99% accuracy for each base after aligning the reads with each other

This assumes random errors, which IIRC isn't the case for Oxford Nanopore.

Jules-Bertholet 18 hours ago||
Oxford Nanopore unfortunately has a high error rate (3-5%) compared to other sequencing technologies. And the errors are non-random
mbeavitt 9 hours ago|||
This is simply not true, advances in basecalling and using Duplex give you >Q25
Gethsemane 10 hours ago|||
For most DNA it now sits at ~Q20 (1%) which is a big improvement - there was also some hacky stuff like HERRO and duplex sequencing which improved it substantially. For routine genome sequencing it's definitely suitable, and the long-read advantage helps resolve some of those trickier regions
armanj 16 hours ago||
one main marketing leverage of 23andMe, AncestryDNA, etc are fulfilling the curiosity of people who want to know which part of the world their genes are from. I guess that dataset should be preparatory.
sergey-a 14 hours ago|
Problem with those providers - they only check 700K positions out of 3 billion and there is no mapping quality or allelic depth data in those dataset and this is critical for assessing whether the detected variant is a false positive or real.

It's not suitable for health investigations since most of DNA is not sequenced and genotyping technology is known to produce high rate of false positive for rare mutations.

(I'm the solo-founder of Gene Inspector Pro, mentioned in the blog post). AMA. :)

vintermann 9 hours ago||
It's a bit ironic, since FTDNA and MyHeritage (which uses FTDNA's lab) have switched to NGS now, so they presumably could deliver those notorious "health insights", at least better than 23andMe. But they aren't in that market, and 23andMe shows no inclination to switch. They're probably licking their wounds after the user hack and buyout fiasco.
TurdF3rguson 17 hours ago||
I'm too afraid I would learn something awful about myself.
vintermann 9 hours ago||
That's unlikely, but I do think that the health benefits of full sequence testing yourself are largely hypothetical at this point anyway. Unless you're a competitive athlete maybe?

It's genealogy it's useful for. But genealogy, it's really useful for.

peyton 14 hours ago||
Unfortunately you’d have no power to correct it. Even if such a thing were possible. I hope that changes.
vintermann 9 hours ago|||
You have no power to correct something with gene editing, true, but there may potentially be preventive action you can take. It's all largely hypothetical today anyway, most things you care about (e.g. cancer, Alzheimer's) you can't usually tell very reliably if you're going to get from a DNA test.
TurdF3rguson 14 hours ago|||
Are you talking about time travel? I don't think that would help.
ggirelli 14 hours ago||
More like genome editing.
SilentM68 16 hours ago||
Reminds me of the Gloing Plant Project. I never got my glowing flower but would have settled for the instruction manual, also never created :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glowing_Plant_project

By the by, can't seen to bring up the actual site linked on this post.

shellfishgene 14 hours ago|
You can get one here, you'll have to wait until next year though: https://light.bio/
metalman 18 hours ago||
I am very impressed with the, why wait? just do it now approach to the future. which while not here, IS there.
dekhn 18 hours ago|
Nothing about this is the future. Sequencing at home will not solve any major problems. It's mainly a fun exercise to demonstrate that sequencing has been commodified.
ngsevers 15 hours ago|||
I disagree, I sequenced with nebula genomics years ago.. you can understand risk factors for various problems so that you can start interventions that make sense way in advance.
dtj1123 13 hours ago||||
I don't wasn't someone else to have a copy of my genome, whilst wanting to analyse my genome. The only way to do that is with affordable home sequencing.
ElenaDaibunny 16 hours ago||||
just a hobby project for now,pretty wild that this can be done at home.
fragmede 15 hours ago|||
Knowing exactly why I have high LDL because of a specific mutation on my DNA is very much the future, imo.
FrustratedMonky 8 hours ago||
Can CRISPR also be done at home this cheaply?

Seems like maybe of the 3 dystopias: AI, Global Warming, Bio-warfare. That this is demonstrating that the home grown virus is closer than we think.

RobotToaster 8 hours ago|
yes https://www.the-odin.com/blog/how-to-do-crispr-at-home-begin...
bambax 12 hours ago||
This feels like the acme of narcissism. How much time and money are people willing to spend on navel gazing?
vintermann 9 hours ago||
True story, I found a god damn tick in my navel yesterday. Sometimes a bit of navel gazing can be healthy, figuratively and literally.

On a reasonable level, navel gazing (the figurative kind) is maybe better called self-reflection. I use DNA for genealogy, and it seems to me from the people I meet, that many get a healthier approach to our identity once we learn more about our genetic background. Identity politics, collective identity building around ancestry - identity building of all kinds really - needs simple stories. And the stories DNA tell are never simple.

epgui 9 hours ago|||
That’s quite judgmental and shows an impressive lack of scientific curiosity.
rtodea 12 hours ago|||
When you are taking care of your health, and need to learn more about your built-in limitations is it still narcissistic?

At the bottom of the page there is a link to Sid Sijbrandij's cancer journey. He is one of the cofounders of GitLab. This is one of the coverages of his story: https://centuryofbio.com/p/sid

inglor_cz 9 hours ago||
I don't get you at all.

Is going to your doctor or eating better food "navel gazing"? Predispositions to some diseases can be read from your DNA. Remember Angelina Jolie undergoing preventive mastectomy because she had a high genetic risk for breast cancer? Well, so do many non-celebrities.

Then there is the specific case of people who may suspect that their bio-parents are someone else, and there is nothing weird about wanting to know where you actually come from.

bleepblap 19 hours ago||
> This is intended to be read by AI

Fuck this

tclancy 17 hours ago||
Man, doctors thought they had it bad before. For just a six yards I can play Peter Thiel at home! $6k invested so I can set an AI in YOLO mode to tell me I have some hyper-specific version of kennel cough?

“But that occurs in dogs?”

“You’re right. Let me look into actual gene sequencing instead of just guessing. I think the N is the load bearing letter.”

fennec-posix 15 hours ago||
Funniest thing I read today, thank you!
bmwoolf 12 hours ago|||
Hi, author here- you can read it too, though it is dense. I have updated that specific sentence.

I found it easier to upload the protocol to ChatGPT and have audio walk you through it. This allows you to swap between pipettes, measurements, etc without having to look at the screen, reducing context-switching

asveikau 18 hours ago|||
Yeah that's weird. The instructions are not even hard to read. I don't understand what an LLM would add to this.
hahahaa 15 hours ago|||
As long as the AI doesn't brush its teeth all good.
SuperSixFour 18 hours ago||
Literally left the article to come here and say this.
shevy-java 12 hours ago||
> The near-term value is turning a static genome into something queryable

Ok. So ... how exactly is this valuable?

If you realise "hey, I gots Huntington disease", this is going to make you feel better? Or any other incurable disease? I am not disputing that knowing the sequence is useless in general, mind you. I am specifically asking WHY it is necessary to know your genome sequence. This seems to be a simplification or just a "having reached a milestone". But then they don't really explain WHY it is useful. None of the bulletin points he listed is really useful:

> Which variants do I have?

And this is useful ... how exactly?

> Which genes and pathways are affected?

And ... this matters why?

> Which medicines might I metabolize differently?

Ok, so this has a potential use case here, since he can choose to avoid specific drugs. How useful that really is in practice is unclear. (Don't confuse drug companies trying to convince YOU that personalized medicine is important on THEIR use case.)

> What rare variants should I take seriously?

Seriously ... how? Ok, you avoid some compounds. Now what.

> Where does the model know nothing yet?

Great, so a model that is limited, but now I need to burden myself with having to know where that limitations are. So my brain just has extra processing to do, without getting anything useful in return.

> the “edit yourself with CRISPR” will most likely follow

Except that they have not solved the off-target cleavage yet. Besides, they milk the prices anyway. DNA manipulation should be safe, secure, correct and affordable. None of that is the case right now. They publish papers where CRISPR has solved everything, but then fail to explain why it isn't already used by billions. And there are reasons as to why.

> Give your genome to Claude Code

Oh my god ... AI becomes your dependency here.

Note that the step-by-step guide is actually not totally useless, as it can give a basis for real work. But I highly doubt that untrained people will easily be able to go through those steps. Everyone is a master in the lab now? RNA is easy to handle? Guess then one would have to explain why RNase A is used (ok ok it's not playing a huge role here since DNA is the target of isolation, but it is more of an example of how many things can go wrong, and there is not really an explanation of why xyz is used; this looks like an AI step-by-step guide. AI really makes people dumber).

joel_liu 16 hours ago|
The "non-random errors" point buried a few replies down deserves to be the headline, not a footnote. With Illumina, 10x coverage genuinely washes out errors because they're closer to independent per-read noise. With Nanopore, errors cluster at specific motifs (homopolymers, certain k-mers) due to how the pore physically reads the strand — so the same systematic mistake shows up across most of your reads at that position, and naive majority-vote consensus won't fix it. You need a basecaller/consensus model trained to correct for those specific failure modes (which is exactly what the current-gen Guppy/Dorado models try to do), not just "more depth." That distinction matters a lot for a home setup: coverage is cheap, but knowing where your specific errors are systematic vs. random is what determines whether "buy more reads" actually gets you to clinical-grade accuracy or just gives you a very confident wrong answer.