Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors

Posted by adulion 7 hours ago

Europe's company websites are mostly served by US vendors(ciphercue.com)

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general1465 5 hours ago|

Why does that matter? If US vendors decides to kill the service for EU customer, they can move a webserver on a different VPS within hours. Same for git. Sure you can kill GitHub, but the git repository can be moved somewhere else within minutes.

However in both cases US vendors will suffer catastrophic trust loss for rest of the world. It would be a lose-lose situation.

drdexebtjl 3 hours ago|

If the company I work at was forced to leave AWS and put all of our engineering teams to work on this, maybe we would finish it in 6 months, being very optimistic.

If it were forced to do this immediately, it would shut down.

Not everything is a simple web server that fits in a VPS. Some systems have thousands of moving parts, and some of those parts are proprietary services that only have one provider.

RicoElectrico 3 hours ago||

It's a distraction. Websites are relatively easy to migrate, Office and AD not so much. Isn't it really a case of measuring what you can see vs what really matters?

collinmcnulty 7 hours ago||

As ever, there's a relevant xkcd

https://xkcd.com/932/

rmoriz 7 hours ago||

Mail (SMTP) is even worse.

sam_lowry_ 7 hours ago||

See https://mxmap.be/ and follow the links for other countries.

Self-hosting mail infra is a forgotten skill, indeed

embedding-shape 7 hours ago||

Here in Spain it seems better. We don't have tons of alternatives for web services, so lots end up on the typical clouds, but email hosting it seems every region has at least one ajuntament that runs their very own email servers. Helps that the country politically and socially is a bit decentralized since the beginning of the republic, but I was (pleasantly) surprised how many local governments here actually manage their own emails.

betaby 1 hour ago||

Interesting fact. Is there a list of local government mx servers?

embedding-shape 1 hour ago||

There was a HN submission with a map of email servers for local governments around in Europe (the world?), might have been a Show HN but I'm unable to find it now. It was an interactive map with a ton of local governments around in Europe, might have been bigger in scope too but mostly remember the European map as I was mostly focusing on Spain. Maybe someone else have better luck and could link it here? Might have been a month or two ago maybe.

shevy-java 6 hours ago||

Europe right now is the ultimate US vasall. Germany is the leader here; France and Netherlands are much more self-conscious but also way too dependent on US corporations. The worst part is that in Germany with Merz in charge, this will not change. He is a good puppy for the USA.

imp0cat 7 hours ago||

There was a post here on hn that showcased EU tech map which you can use to check for alternatives, ie for Gmail https://europeantechmap.eu/alternative-to/gmail?pricing=free...

There aren't many completely european solutions, but there are more than zero.

santiagohzszmex 5 hours ago||

Interesante

santiagohzszmex 5 hours ago|

Woow

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