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Posted by gasull 1 day ago

Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained(fightchatcontrol.eu)
874 points | 328 commentspage 3
ggirelli 22 hours ago|
So, I blinked and forgot to check for updates on this and they voted a few hours ago to reinstate this... https://www.heise.de/en/news/Showdown-in-Strasbourg-The-unex...
grg0 23 hours ago||
This website is gold, thanks for all the work.
AuthAuth 20 hours ago||
When it comes to online actions people ask for way more than reasonable. You dont get to be an invisible, impossible to track, unaccountable hacker man free to roam the internet on equal footing to the rest of the users.
left-struck 11 hours ago||
This is a strawman argument. Almost no one who wants to preserve their right to free and open communication without government knowledge or interference, wants that so that they can hack.

It’s not about catching hackers or child predators, it’s about government control.

mattstir 5 hours ago||
Who's arguing for that? And why is it not "reasonable" to ask for basic privacy?
terabytest 1 day ago||
As a EU citizen I’m at a loss for what to do about this. I feel that they’re going against any average citizen’s interest. What can we do to make them stop?
LaurensBER 1 day ago||
Short-term, follow the steps on the website and contact your political representative to explain to them why it's such a bad idea.

Long-term, switch to another messenger app that's opensource and truly E2E encrypted.

That also shows why this is such a foolish proposal.

The truly scary people are not on the "consumer" chat apps anyway and most certainly will be the first ones to switch to another communication channel if this passes. If this will have any effect it'll be that some, "dumb" criminals will be caught.

grg0 23 hours ago|||
Use the submission form on the site to email your representatives.
drnick1 23 hours ago|||
Vote for parties that oppose this nonsense. In the meantime, install Linux on your desktop/laptop, and a free Android variant on a compatible phone. Use Signal, and urge your family and friends to do the same.
raverbashing 1 day ago|||
The irony is that those questions can only be legally questioned when they're approved (and sometimes have a defined implementation)

Then there's the whole kerfuffle about how to actually implement this

So the thing that comforts me is that it's a dumpster fire all the way down and I'm sure there will be plenty of legal complaints about it

73738384 23 hours ago||
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shevy-java 23 hours ago||
Lobbyists control the EU. So much is clear to everyone now.

I think there is no way to fix this system from the inside - it is designed to be abused like that. We need an alternative system.

budududuroiu 13 hours ago|
Even if there was no lobbying or corruption, the EU is structurally flawed: the Council, which is made up of 27 mandates that were given for local politics, is used by nations to launder their domestically unpopular laws through an EU indirection layer, the Commission has no electoral link (VDL was appointed, when afaik the Parliament should nominate a Commission President), the Parliament, the legislative body, has no legislative initiative, and despite rejecting laws drafted by the Commission, as we've seen, those laws can be forced through indefinitely until the Commission gets the rubber stamp it needs.
tancop 8 hours ago||
i think a good general rule is anyone with ultimate power over some area (president, lawmakers, supreme court judges) should be elected. thats anyone whos decisions cant be reversed by someone else above them. those who make final but reversible decisions (pm, ministers, heads of military and intelligence) should be directly appointed by someone who was elected. if you allow indirect appointments to important positions you get a corrupt undemocratic government.
kotberg 2 hours ago||
EuSSR = "Demooocrazy" in action. Enjoy. You Liberals cried for it.
ChrisArchitect 1 day ago||
Related today:

Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48819008

BatFastard 16 hours ago||
Anyone know how Signal is responding to this? They ARE E2EE.
choo-t 14 hours ago|
Their stance is of non-compliance and leaving EU market if Chat Control 2 get into law.

https://aboutsignal.com/news/the-end-of-private-conversation...

wazzup_im 22 hours ago||
It's funny they thing criminals are using those platforms for discussion
bonoboTP 21 hours ago|
Funny you think they think that. They just want control.
mbmbn 11 hours ago|
Would these measures have prevented, for instance, the generalized Rape Gangs they had in the UK and that were hidden by the authorities to keep some weird idea of social peace?
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