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Posted by miroljub 4 hours ago

Chat Control passed first round in EU Parliament(www.heise.de)
345 points | 148 commentspage 3
musha68k 3 hours ago|
This is the anti-EU move but they simply don't understand that.

Authoritarian centralization efforts need to be fought Huang style - with an European twist - as we might be behind on a lot of axis but we "Didn't Wake Up a Loser".

China / US leadership must not be the carte-blanche to formalize whatever low bar in how we handle our own privacy; going straight for the "self own" I guess?

Sorry for prompt mode but I hope this is at least somewhat legible to fellow Europeans, if not please listen to antirez in original Italian or auto translated:

https://youtu.be/cmYiWsFn3GM

I hear quite a few tangents in there; the main one being: especially in EU we need to go "agentic". Don't wait for politics to do The Right Thing. They should play retrospective backup at best.

I'm thinking they might be actually thankful for having been provided vision / imagination.

Team up with the bureaucrats after the fact but don't listen to them too much - again - to Do The Right Thing. Especially when they are potentially infected by lobbyists...

FFS I hate this timeline; we really need to show up for real. Again and again and again and again...

gmueckl 1 hour ago|
Huang style? What does this mean?
tadasZ 3 hours ago||
i'm so tired of this bs, these elected people act as tsars, even when said NO they try again and again while employing shady tactics and there is no way of punishing these a**holes. Elections exist, but when same 35% (number taken out of butt, but point is - it's low) of people vote we get same sh*t who elects same sh*t to EU. And i don't know about other countries, but my country sends complete degenerates to EU, like litteraly degenerates.
shevy-java 2 hours ago||
Lobbyists running the show. It's kind of a copy/paste of the US system.
varispeed 3 hours ago||
Effect of law enforcement not doing their jobs. Chat Control is illegal in many countries including Germany and that includes preparation for the roll out. Just need a prosecutor with a spine.
tadasZ 3 hours ago||
i'm so tired of this bs, these elected people act as tsars, even when said NO they try again and again while employing shady tactics and there is no way of punishing these a*holes. Elections exist, but when same 35% (number taken out of butt, but point is - it's low) of people vote we get same sht who elects same sht to EU. And i don't know about other countries, but my country sends complete degenerates to EU, like litteraly degenerates.
miroljub 3 hours ago|
> ... these elected people act as tsars, ...

They are not elected. Even the EU is illegal, since joining the EU was rejected by people of many European countries, but that was ignored.

They just do what they want and do thorough media coverage. In rare cases that doesn't work, people just dissapear.

zuzululu 3 hours ago||
Talked to a fellow European coworker recently and they seem very supportive of chat control and that it was necessary to stop "far right nationalism" and then I pressed on for them describe what it is and they got angry and refused to clarify. I think this is a good snapshot of where Europe is right now that chat controls have become politically weaponized and people who are supportive of it seem clueless as to what it actually is proposing.

Future looks very dim for EU as a whole, I'm glad I left it for America

sunshine-o 2 hours ago||
So now that this is done the first thing we need is a list of platform covered and potentially covered by Chat Control.

It is still unclear to me if Proton Mail, Tuta, SimpleX servers, Signal, etc. fall under this or might.

Do they even have to officially declare if they are complying?

cynicalsecurity 4 hours ago||
Local governments are likely to block the initiative. We need a Polish based messenger that won't bend to chat control fascist initiatives.
DocTomoe 2 hours ago|
Nothing is brought to the Commission that local governments do not secretly want, but publically rage against because the voters are against it.

When Brussles then decides, 'there's nothing we can do, it's an EU thing' ... and a moustache-twirl.

The only thing that can stop this is to completely dismantle the EU. Which means, unfortunately, voting for people any good person should rightfully despise.

cynicalsecurity 1 hour ago||
Dismantling the EU is like burning down your own house to get rid of flies. That is absolutely not the right solution. Without the EU, chat control would already have been implemented in its worst form everywhere, just as it already is in the UK. The UK left the EU and implemented its own version of chat control.
Krasnol 2 hours ago||
I'm always astonished how democratic politicians willingly allow for tools which might be misused by a future undemocratic party.

I'm not a politician or some civil rights activist but I can see that. It's right there. We have a similar situation in Germany these days. We'll be giving more rights to the Federal Intelligence Service ( foreign intelligence) and the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (domestic intelligence). Basically allowing them to act more offensive (or offensive at all).

We're one or two elections away from having fascists in the government again.

Is it already a conspiracy theory if I suspect them of doing that deliberately because I can't imagine them being stupid?

2847372828273 2 hours ago|
Are you fascist already back from Erfurt after kicking dissidents in the head? What would the regime do without their terrorist GONGOs to which they funnel millions of taxpayer money?

> I'm always astonished how democratic politicians willingly allow for tools which might be misused by a future undemocratic party.

You totalitarian pieces of shit have no grasp of irony. Fucking scum.

miroljub 4 hours ago|
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Thanks for the warning. Comment deleted to avoid jail time.

patrakov 4 hours ago||
I am not a lawyer, but, as a Russian citizen, let me warn you. The very fact that your comment criticizing the EU regime, that you yourself admit could send you to jail, is online and not deleted by Thursday, makes it a "lasting crime". For lasting crimes, it does not matter that the regulation criminalizing the action or state of affairs was not in force when they started. What matters is that the condition defined as illegal (comment existing) is true when the regulation outlawing it is in force - i.e., that you did not cease and desist. Yes, this is a creative way authorities circumvent the ban on ex post facto laws - they say "it is not ex post facto".

Commented on Tuesday, deleted the comment on Wednesday, the regulation is enacted on Thursday => OK.

Commented on Tuesday, did not delete before Thursday => jail (and it does not matter that you can't delete it anymore because it has a reply).

Sarcasm of course, as Russian laws do not apply here.

iamnothere 4 hours ago|||
It’s a good time to download the source code for software that allows locally encrypted messaging, particularly without central infrastructure.

Delta Chat works with any email server and has a rich feature set, Bitchat is also good to have on hand. And of course the old standby GPG, flawed as it may be.

Also NNCP (https://nncp.mirrors.quux.org/) in case sneakernet solutions are ever needed.

raverbashing 3 hours ago|||
And who's to say Drama is dead huh

I love how your average EU left-leaning cybertistic who has less serotonin than Werther and yet thinks all their country needs is more 3rd world "refugees" acts upon a tiny modicum of difficulty or government control (which should not be read as me advocating for it, naturally)

> Any advice from free people of China on circumventing government restrictions and control?

You should look into what goes on WeChat

But anyway the Chinese has way more agency and way less qualms about using air-conditioner so let me make a guess on who's surviving the heat waves

73738384 4 hours ago||
Gotta love the downvotes. At least we have free healthcare folks (for now lol).
lostmsu 4 hours ago||
You can't have access to the free healthcare until you get a mandatory calming vaccine.
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