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Posted by ottomengis 5 hours ago

Mistral's Robostral Navigate: a state of the art robotics navigation model(mistral.ai)
320 points | 75 commentspage 3
therobots927 2 hours ago|
Funny how nearly all model improvements this year are demonstrated on the subset of use cases where brute force / reinforcement learning is most effective:

Robotics (using physics sims)

Cybersecurity (red team / blue team)

Math (using automated proof checkers)

Programming (using compilers)

For the record I think robotics is a totally logical place to use this training approach and this is very impressive. But if we zoom out and think about LLMs in general I’m not sure this inspires confidence in AGI arriving any time soon. I would also propose that this is a form of overfitting / training-test contamination.

Take cybersecurity for example. Through brute force techniques you will gradually memorize all of the possible exploits. So when fable breaks into a DoD network everyone is shocked but in reality it basically memorized all possible exploits including some zero day.

I’d be much more interested to see if fables performance is preserved as new exploits arise (NOT zero day - negative day meaning exploits that don’t exist yet). Would fable still find them? Or would they need to retrain it on the new software stack continuously in order to identify the zero days.

This is an important distinction that I have not seen made before.

This analysis by Toby Ord demonstrates why it’s a problem if frontier improvements are coming from reinforcement learning (brute force methods) from a purely computational perspective: https://www.tobyord.com/writing/inefficiency-of-reinforcemen...

figassis 3 hours ago||
How long until Tesla buys Mistral?
davidpapermill 3 hours ago|
I don't think so. I think Tesla merger with SpaceX, which has the Cursor team and reportedly working on foundation model there.

I imagine the EU would block any attempted takeover of Mistral given recent Anthropic and US govt actions.

hackernows_test 2 hours ago||
I’m not a fan
infinito25 4 hours ago||
I love Uniqlo even more after seeing this.
sowbug 3 hours ago|
Then today's your lucky day! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48829312
fzysingularity 4 hours ago||
Frontier labs are realizing that software/models themselves don’t have real moats and move to embodied ai.

SOTA 80% means a practically useless robot. What are they really imagining their ICP to be here?

not-kinsale-joe 3 hours ago|
What does this comment mean?
fzysingularity 3 hours ago||
It’s unclear to me what their desired outcome for a blog post like this. If you’ve ever worked in a robotics setting, 80% implies that 20% of your autonomous actions are incorrect. Imagine if this were the case for autonomous driving where your car misbehaves 1 in every 5 actions it takes.

Posts like this just reminds me of the end to end demos AV companies built in the early days using a single camera - only to realize that it’s harder than it looks years later into development.

fzysingularity 3 hours ago||
The ICP question was more around the model itself. Are they looking to license it to robotics companies? Do they imagine that devs at robotics companies would be willing to deploy these models as a black box?
Nurstar 3 hours ago||
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maelito 4 hours ago|
Was it tested on a road in a car ?
SparkyMcUnicorn 3 hours ago|
Relevant: https://blog.comma.ai/011release/