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Posted by speckx 4 hours ago

Chatto is now Open Source(www.hmans.dev)
316 points | 69 commentspage 3
toomuchtodo 3 hours ago|
Very cool! You should request being added to https://european-alternatives.eu/
tempfile 2 hours ago||
Does this federate with anything, like Matrix or XMPP? If it is locked into a single software, I fear nobody will ever switch to it (I have too many chat apps already!)
vsviridov 3 hours ago||
Amazing. And with SSO out of the box without weird "Oh, SSO is Enterprise only" BS.
hrdwdmrbl 2 hours ago||
I've been running Mattermost for a couple of years now and I'm content with it. It does feel a little bit clunky sometimes, but it's been stable and performant so I can't really complain. It can also feel a bit much sometimes. A bit too complex. A bit too feature-rich. But if I just ignore most of it, then it's good. I will say that Chatto looks nicer, appears to be simpler to setup and also has simpler licensing. Can it auto-update itself? That's something that's bad with Mattermost.
latexr 3 hours ago||
> And you can just self-host it. For free, too! (A weird thing to write, but the OSS chat app space has become very weird in many ways!)

Wait, what? There are open-source chat apps that you have to pay to host yourself? How does that work? Or did I misunderstand?

bityard 3 hours ago||
Many otherwise open-source chat apps are "open-core," they tie certain features to a subscription. Can be things like chat history, voice calls, video calls, but a very popular one is SSO and AD/LDAP integration.
francislavoie 3 hours ago||
Yeah a lot of them like Mattermost become surprisingly limited unless you pay. It's very annoying.
claytongulick 2 hours ago||
Mattermost's licensing is a little confusing, but from what I understand, you're only really super-restricted if you use the prebuilt binaries (which have a different license than the source code).

IIRC if you build it yourself it's pretty much all AGPL, with few limitations.

sreekanth850 2 hours ago||
looks super cool.
hackernows_test 2 hours ago||
I’m
dofm 2 hours ago||
> Chatto aims to be the group chat application that you actually enjoy using.

So not like Discord or Slack?

> This is what it looks like:

Discord and Slack?

I mean, OK, it has EU hosting and that is good. But I see nothing obvious here that solves the noise and irritation of Discord and Slack.

john_strinlai 2 hours ago|
most complains i see about the others are performance-related, not looks-related. and chatto is trying to be performant.
dofm 2 hours ago||
It is not looks or performance (I have no idea) I am talking about. It is the shape of the functionality — the intent of it.

All these systems end up with far too much furniture on screen, and this appears no exception.

I will test it, of course. But the promotional material argues against itself.

icase 2 hours ago|
soooooo campfire then
dewey 2 hours ago||
There's space for more than one self-hosted chat app in the world. Also very ignorant comment towards a project someone probably spend a lot of time on.
vsviridov 44 minutes ago|||
They have some `curl | bash` type installation, which doesn't really fit my set-up. They say "email us if you have any questions", so I've emailed several months ago and I'm still waiting for a response.
jkman 2 hours ago||
Off the bat, it seems that campfire doesn't support voice/video calls. So no, not at all