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Posted by rapnie 8 hours ago

EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0(www.patrick-breyer.de)
668 points | 333 commentspage 2
zazaulola 4 minutes ago||
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't live in the EU. Sorry for the silly question.

Is there any EU law that prohibits minors from encrypting their messages or using, for example, PGP keys?

How can they protect children if the children deliberately encrypt their messages?

bramhaag 5 hours ago||
> Although a majority of voting Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) actually opposed the regulation (314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions), the motion to reject it failed to secure the required absolute majority of 361 votes.

This vote was urgently scheduled for today, the last day of parliament before the summer break. 113 MEPs were not present for this vote, likely having taken vacation days to extend their break. It's hard to believe choosing to do the vote today was done accidentally.

sndgndgndgndy 56 minutes ago||
If you so much as mention that this bill was passed to censor criticism of Israel, you will yourself be censored. Our politicians don't actually represent us.
drnick1 34 minutes ago|
Unhinged rant, this has nothing to do with Israel.
CrisMystik 5 hours ago||
One thing that should be noted is that, since the Parliament has been able to approve an amendment by absolute majority (which explicitly excludes E2E chats), the procedure is not over and the law is still not enacted, a third reading is still needed, after negotiations with the Council and the Commission, and in this case the Parliament will be able to reject the act by a simple majority
wiradikusuma 6 hours ago||
From Google: "The law seeks to require digital platforms and messaging services (like WhatsApp and Gmail) to automatically scan users' private messages, emails, and photos to detect and report illegal content"

-- EU policy makers are really honest people, hats off to them. There's no way politicians in my country allow their chats to be scanned, because they're very corrupt.

carlesfe 6 hours ago|
EU politicians are exempt from this measure. They thought it all the way through.

(Edit: seems that the statement above applies to ChatControl 2.0, not the approved text. Apologies.)

dabber21 5 hours ago|||
basically admitting they are pedos
preisschild 6 hours ago|||
Can you cite the text where it says this?
BSDobelix 6 hours ago||
In Chatcontrol 2.0 not this one:

>*EU politicians exempt themselves from this surveillance under "professional secrecy" rules. They get privacy. You and your family do not.

https://8bitsecurity.com/posts/chat-control-2-0-%E2%80%93-ho...

tangenter 56 minutes ago||
If no one actually stands up against this and puts an end to it, then it wasn’t that important to begin with.
londons_explore 7 hours ago||
The defence against this is widespread truly peer to peer messaging services, where there is no company at the middle to tell you add backdoors.

Who is working on that? I suspect the main challenge is not technical, but human - persuading users to switch messenger apps is almost impossible.

giobox 48 minutes ago||
I genuinely wondered the other day how long before we see some country try to regulate the new self-hosted radio mesh messaging solutions like Meshtastic etc. Eventually some crime group somewhere is going to be busted using a homebrew encrypted radio system for messaging - they are so plentiful and easy to build with dirt cheap ESP32s etc, and it's so easy to deploy repeaters to extend range.

> https://meshtastic.org/

betaby 5 hours ago|||
> The defence against this is widespread truly peer to peer messaging services

Spain would label you criminal for merely using alternative Android builds: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-organized-crim...

attila-lendvai 5 hours ago|||
Simplex

https://simplex.chat/

inigyou 7 hours ago|||
Session was recently shut down due to lack of funding.

True P2P implies knowing the IP addresses of the people you're talking to.

londons_explore 13 minutes ago|||
Or it can be many-server, with tens of thousands of server operators and one selected at random.

Only the server operators then know your IP, and they don't know who you are or what you're saying.

Stagnant 6 hours ago|||
Session was supposed to be shut down at start of July but looks like they got enough funding from donations to keep going for now.
dabber21 4 hours ago|||
Not P2P but Delta Chat
hsuduebc2 7 hours ago||
Or you can just host your own server like IRC. This is beyond idiotic, if they think that pedophiles will begin to suddenly use WhatsApp then I very much doubt about their basic literacy.

Such a weak reasoning and method which they used to push this is ridiculous agenda lead me to strongly suspect there must be something else behind it.

lousken 34 minutes ago|
Can people sue EU about this? This is ridiculous
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