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Posted by rapnie 11 hours ago

EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0(www.patrick-breyer.de)
875 points | 425 commentspage 5
truthbe 10 hours ago|
Once you realise the age group that are in that bracket of european law making you realise it's gen X AKA the helicopter parent generation and it all becomes less shocking.
betaby 9 hours ago|
More interesting that that mostly childless politicians are in favor of such things. That's makes sense since those legislations are NOT about children.
nirui 7 hours ago||
I mean, even the victims themselves came out and explicitly emphasized that scanning chat messages does not help.

I'm feeling these politicians was not doing it for the victims. Instead, it's almost like the victims are providing reasons to allow the politicians to expand their own power.

The Accelerationism (see note below) part of me think it's a good thing, because a heavily regulated country is often also a backward country. Doing things like this long enough, then you get out competed by everyone else, your population shrinks to zero and your land gets reused.

(Note: The word "Accelerationism" in the Chinese dissidents circle means that, if a bad future is certain and it trends to destroy itself eventually, we might as well just let it happen faster, so the pain maybe shorter. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerator-in-Chief)

Look, EU obviously have a few good regulations. But a regulation must be correctly designed and implemented, and it must not punish good people. Scanning private messages is a punishment to all.

If EU must scan something, I'd say scanning all messages/phone calls sent out by the politicians might do more good, consider how much trust people put on them (maybe they shouldn't).

tryauuum 4 hours ago|
That's cool and all but looks like we are running out of good countries

And if they all have censorship, they are not failing (when comparing them to each other)

pelagicAustral 10 hours ago||
Rest assured, someone is already working on circumventing this. Necessity is the mother on invention.
Pazzaz 2 hours ago||
You don't need to do any work to circumvent this. This law is just continuing the status queue that's existed in the EU for 5 years.

To avoid being affected by this law, you can just download Signal, or use any other encrypted messaging service.

one33seven 10 hours ago||
Sure. The criminals and political enemies of the EU will just use illegal chat apps and hardened phones. What about the others though?
Pazzaz 2 hours ago|||
They don't need to use "illegal chat apps". They can just use Signal or Telegram, or any of the other ways that exist to send encrypted messages.
attila-lendvai 8 hours ago|||
the rest? they comply, or get labeled a criminal.

innocent men cannot be ruled over. authoritarians want a population of such "criminals", because then their power becomes the choice of which law is executed on whom.

tomerlir 1 hour ago||
This is so bad, honestly, I'm so let down
zazaulola 3 hours ago||
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't live in the EU. Sorry for the silly question.

Is there any EU law that prohibits minors from encrypting their messages or using, for example, PGP keys?

How can they protect children if the children deliberately encrypt their messages?

Pazzaz 2 hours ago|
No, there is no law preventing anyone from encrypting their messages. The thought is that children won't use encrypted services.
whywhywhywhy 2 hours ago||
Just so blatant that this was paid or bargained into existence, EU is a compromised system.
make_it_sure 10 hours ago||
what are the actual consequences of that? they can read any Whatsapp encrypted chat? What changes?
Pazzaz 5 minutes ago||
Literally nothing changes. This is the continuation of a temporary law that already existed.
simiones 10 hours ago|||
FTA:

> What changes with the return of Chat Control 1.0—and what stays the same:

> What is coming back: US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud.

> What remains unchanged: Public social media posts and files hosted in cloud storage could already be scanned without this law. Furthermore, private messages can always be reported by users, or monitored by authorities using targeted, court-ordered wiretapping.

> What is still NOT being scanned: End-to-end encrypted chats, such as those on WhatsApp, have always been exempt from these scans. Additionally, European providers of messaging and email services have never implemented chat control measures.

inigyou 10 hours ago||
Discord recently had an AI malfunction that resulted in square grids getting detected as CSAM and reported to cops.
hsuduebc2 10 hours ago||
As far as I understand this. It basically gives the company providing chat services the possibility to scan your messages.
anthk 9 hours ago||
To hell with children. Create a separate internet for them, no ICANN access unless they are parent-supervised until they hit 13 or so.
Razengan 4 hours ago|
God..why.. Do the citizens have no say in this??
Pazzaz 11 minutes ago||
The citizens do have a say: they vote in elections. This is a temporary law that was implemented 5 years ago so everyone had a chance to vote in the 2024 EU election and vote out those who supported this law. But most people don't care if a company like Meta is allowed to scan their messages. For those who care, they can always use an encrypted messaging service like Signal or Telegram.
redsocksfan45 2 hours ago||
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