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Posted by pompomsheep 6 hours ago

Show HN: 18 Words(18words.com)
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pekim 3 hours ago|
https://wordnerd.co/23words/ is similar (but 23 words instead of 18).

Possibly the biggest difference is that 23 Words continues with the next word if you fail to get a word within 30 seconds. When you have attempted all 23 words it will present you with results like this.

    You found 21/23 words
    
    Top 7% of players today.
runjake 3 hours ago||
This name is dangerously close to "14 Words", a white nationalist creed, which carries certain connotations to Americans in the know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

volkk 2 hours ago|
i've literally never heard of this, but great to pollute my brain with more of this bs.

serious question: if the majority aren't "in the know" and some minority is, and the game has literally nothing to do with sending any sekrut messages, who cares? like, is a white nationalist sitting here on HN, playing this game over a coffee and thinks, "heh, sick this is 4 numbers away from the callsign"

johndough 2 hours ago||
If an uneducated acquaintance of yours was about to name their newborn child "Adolf", would you interject that this name might not be such a great idea?
pohl 2 hours ago|||
Absolutely, it’s an act of kindness to loop them in. And if an eavesdropper complains about it I’d be super suspicious.
volkk 2 hours ago|||
there's a big difference between Adolf and whatever esoteric garbage this is
runjake 11 minutes ago|||
This "esoteric" garbage is the catchphrase of white nationalists globally.

So it's about as esoteric as white nationalism is. For example, members of the current US administration know it/believe it.

pohl 2 hours ago|||
Not sure where you’re from but it’s not esoteric at all. Here in the US our current administration is constantly vice-signaling to white supremacists to maintain them as a political base, and uses myriad similar winks to do it. One example: in 2020 the Trump campaign ran Facebook ads featuring an inverted red triangle. The opening sentence was 14 words long. They ran the ad 88 times. It’s ok to choose to be ignorant of the implications, but it’s better to maintain situational awareness.

(I’m not saying the game needs to change its name.)

throwaway_ocr 5 hours ago||
Pretty frustrating when you find a word, but it's not THE word. Pretty fun otherwise.
functionmouse 5 hours ago|
tbh this should accept all dictionary matches
pompomsheep 5 hours ago||
Did you find a word that wasn't accepted you thought should be?

I do have another version where it accepts ANY word but I found it quite unsatisfying when I survived by randomly spamming combinations and finding a really obscure word.

So am currently running it against a 20,000 word wordlist instead of my larger 300,000 wordlist

happytoexplain 5 hours ago|||
The third one in the archive wouldn't accept "tase" or "sate" for "seat".
DamnInteresting 4 hours ago||||
I've built a some word games over the years (e.g., wordwhile.com, omiword.com), and one thing I've discovered is that players find it very unsatisfying when they enter a real, valid word and the game rejects it. I imagine that the timer would amplify that sense of unfairness.

Granted, there are also people who get annoyed when the game seems too accepting of unusual words, but if you can point them to a valid dictionary definition for that oddball word, they usually accept it without argument.

groggo 3 hours ago||
I'm one of those people who get annoyed if it's too loose. But I can just impose that restriction on myself and look down on people who rely on obscure words.
maxweylandt 5 hours ago||||
Going two days back in the archive, "egret" not allowed
shaftway 2 hours ago||||
On today's puzzle, `WROGHT` was rejected, and I got `GROWTH` just in the nick of time.
tikhonj 2 hours ago|||
Is that actually a word, or were you thinking of "wrought"?
quickthrowman 2 hours ago|||
The word is ‘wrought’, which is why it wasn’t accepted.
elxr 5 hours ago||||
"braze" is a very common word, especially if you like bicycles.

Definitely not any less valid or unsatisfying than "zebra".

groggo 3 hours ago|||
I would argue it's less satisfying. I like bikes and I still had to look it up.
pompomsheep 5 hours ago||||
Ok yes all good examples. Have reverted back ot the large dictionary for now which accepts all these
darepublic 3 hours ago|||
just tried that same archive puzzle and it accepted braze for me
paulluuk 5 hours ago||||
Why not just only allow a single try, but accept any "real" word?
pompomsheep 5 hours ago||
Interesting idea but too many people mistype / mispell on first attempt (mostly me)
svantana 5 hours ago||||
the obvious solution is to not use the words that have an obscure word as anagram. I failed on 'target' because I went for 'regatta'.
dahart 5 hours ago|||
> I failed on ‘target’ because I went for ‘regatta’.

Given that those two don’t have the same letters, isn’t that the expected outcome?

svantana 3 hours ago||
Haha oops, you're right :)
mjdv 5 hours ago|||
That seems only fair. ;-)
mhb 5 hours ago||||
quite/quiet
fsckboy 4 hours ago||||
Did you find a word that wasn't accepted you thought should be?

EARLS was not accepted, and I had already decided not to try REALS. (is there a rule against plurals?) what it was looking for was LASER which has a more tenuous claim on being a word than those two.

IAmGraydon 5 hours ago|||
300,000? The Oxford dictionary only contains 171,000!
echoangle 5 hours ago|||
I guess the wordlist with 300k contains all the different forms a word can have while the 171k count is only the base words.
pompomsheep 5 hours ago|||
Haha yeah the 300k list contains so really obscure stuff
realty_geek 1 hour ago||
Interesting to see how much more popular creating games has become as AI has become more powerful. Right now I am working on a house price guessing game and I know I would not have be able to get anywhere with it a couple of years ago. It has still taken me a few weeks to get it where I wanted but I have had to intervene a lot with things the AI just wasn't good at.
santiagobasulto 4 hours ago||
I loved it, i hated it. I'm so bad at this.

I think summarizing everybody's feedback the simplest solution is: "Game difficulty".

- Standard: what you have today

- Relaxed: 1 minute per word?

- Practice Mode: no timer whatsoever

And "Practice Mode" is a completely different mode that lets you skip questions, and instead of "you win / you lose" which is today's behavior, you end up with a score (14/18).

NooneAtAll3 5 hours ago||
I can understand the clock running out meaning a loss - but I still want to play the rest of the words? how do I do that? I don't think they are accessible anymore
wrsh07 5 hours ago||
A continue that let's you keep playing would be fun. Or maybe different modes (eg hard vs normal)
bspammer 5 hours ago||
Clear your cookies for the site or open incognito mode. But I agree there's no reason not to let people continue and just mark where they ended "legitimately".
nickcw 4 hours ago||
I didn't realise at first that you could choose letters which weren't adjacent which made it very hard! Guess I've been playing too much https://zanagrams.com/ (which was also posted here recently).
pompomsheep 3 hours ago|
My other game! Thanks for playing
forbiddenvoid 4 hours ago||
This is great. The speed aspect reminds me of the old AOL chatroom word scramble games. I personally love the timer, but I also do the newspaper anagrams without a pen, so I'm certain to be out of the majority on this.

A shuffle button would be nice (especially if it's keyboard friendly). I've found it useful for me with the NYT Spelling Bee. Sometimes my brain just gets stuck on a letter combination because two letters are close together, and the rearrangement helps.

It would be kind of fun to have an endless mode too, that just pulls words from the dictionary. Maybe not quite in line with the "daily word game" premise, but something I would personally find enjoyable.

akkad33 1 hour ago||
Great game.
lisper 3 hours ago|
You should take a look at this:

https://www.uptoplay.net/wordiest-online-game/com.concretero...

Very similar in spirit, but IMHO a lot more enjoyable than your version. It's untimed which takes the pressure off, but still a challenge because there are multiple potentially correct answers.

The on-line version doesn't seem to be working, and I don't have an android device so I can't tell if the app is still working either. But I ran this on my nexus 7 for years until it died. It was one of my favorite on-line games. I would happily pay someone to port it to ios.

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