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Posted by MrVandemar 3 days ago

Your 'app' could have been a webpage (so I fixed it for you)(danq.me)
587 points | 390 commentspage 2
catuscubitus 5 hours ago|
My app already is a webpage. I made Android and iOS apps for years. Got fed up with the arbitrary roadblocks, erratic whims of store reviewers, and general bureaucracy involved. Pushing a simple fix would sometimes be delayed for days and a couple of weeks in the worst case I experienced. Now I can deploy patches immediately and no one needs to download or update anything on their device. Abandoning those walled garden regimes was one of the best things I ever did.
Doctor_Fegg 10 hours ago||
> There only seem to be two things that this “app” does, that a webpage might not have, and they’re both anti-features:

> It reports tracking data associated with your Google Account back to the developers.

Fortunately webpages never do any tracking whatsoever, let alone “Gobshite LLC and its 1131 partners need your permission for (contd. p94)”

reddalo 10 hours ago|
Luckily tools such as uBlock Origin let you block all those nasty scripts, _including_ the cookie banner themselves.
inigyou 8 hours ago|||
I have uBO and I still see cookie banners.
hollow-moe 7 hours ago||
Unlock Origin doesn't enable all filters by default, you can go in the extension settings and enable more filters which removes the cookie banners etc.
inigyou 6 hours ago||
Does it remove them by automatically consenting to the cookies, rejecting them or just hiding the banner?
reddalo 6 hours ago|||
It hides the banner, so no consent is ever given. Plus, uBlock would block most scripts that place cookies anyway.
rpdillon 6 hours ago|||
It blocks the cookies and the banner. Ideal solution.
jonathanlydall 6 hours ago||
Websites like Reddit love to say “it’s better in the app”, except it should have this added to that sentence: “for us, not so much for you”.
philote 6 hours ago|
More like "We can track you better in the app"
mcdonje 9 hours ago||
I wish PWAs took off, or a "desktop" environment for phones and tablets that allows me to save a simple website shortcut as an app.

I want my phone to be the portal to the places I want to go to and the things I want to see. I want to have the same experience going to a web app or website I regularly visit as with a normal app.

Like, I want to click on an icon and be there. I don't want to click on the browser and then find the tab.

Also, I want PWAs and website shortcuts to be first class citizens. I want a normal icon, not one that has some sort of visual marker that it's not a normal app.

It's been an ongoing annoyance, but it's getting to be more commonplace of an issue because there are a lot of people building cool things on atproto, and they generally start as a web app before they maybe build a phone app.

stavros 8 hours ago|
You can already do this, browser allow you to add a website as an icon and it acts completely like an app. Even iOS allows this, try adding HN to your home screen.
hn111 6 hours ago|||
It’s too bad Apple made the option to install a website as a webapp so hard to find. It’s now hidden in ‘Share’ > ‘View more’ > ‘Add to home screen’

This has nothing to do with ‘sharing’ something

stavros 6 hours ago||
Yes, exactly. I was looking for it for ages the other day, it really does feel like they hid it intentionally.
mcdonje 1 hour ago|||
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smcg 9 hours ago||
The fundamental problem with the internet is that hosting sucks and no one wants to do it. It's thankless and it's expensive to maintain, both time and money. Apps are a way to not worry about that.

By the way, the link doesn't load for me, so I used the archive to read it. https://archive.ph/ByFBN

_fat_santa 6 hours ago||
> The fundamental problem with the internet is that hosting sucks and no one wants to do it. It's thankless and it's expensive to maintain, both time and money. Apps are a way to not worry about that.

No it's not. Hosting a web app is one of the most trivial things you can do these days, far more trivial than attempting to get an app into the app store. Hosting API's and Databases is a little more difficult but you still need those things if you're building an app.

There is no world in which getting your app signed, getting it approved, getting every update approved and paying $X/year to Apple or Google is easier than hosting a webapp, even if you host it in the most difficult way possible (on say AWS + Cloudfront). And even that method isn't that difficult, just moreso relative to other ways of hosting a webapp.

buffalobuffalo 7 hours ago|||
No, the fundamental problem is ios. There are a bunch of features that ios locks down so that you are essentially forced to use apps. Want to send push notifications? You need an app. Want to be able to wake your app up in the background to do stuff intermittently? You need an app. Want to get your app on the home screen? Once again, you need an app. And before anyone says you can do this with PWAs, yes, that's true. But the steps required from your users in order to get a PWA running on ios are so cumbersome (by design) that nobody even bothers. And since ios has something like 60% of market share in the US, we're stuck with apps.
rahimnathwani 7 hours ago||
"Want to get your app on the home screen?"

Open Safari, navigate to the web app, tap the Share button, scroll down, and select 'Add to Home Screen'.

buffalobuffalo 6 hours ago||
You forgot to mention the part where, to use any of the PWA features, you now have to get the user to close safari, and re-open the page via the icon now on the homescreen. Not exactly easy UI.
ValentineC 3 hours ago|||
> The fundamental problem with the internet is that hosting sucks and no one wants to do it. It's thankless and it's expensive to maintain, both time and money. Apps are a way to not worry about that.

Except it seems like plenty of apps these days are just vehicles to give web-based services some native abilities, so they're practically useless without a data connection.

anonzzzies 9 hours ago|||
I love hosting and I will never stop doing it. I keep buying servers (second hand; almost no one actually needs the latest) and hosting 1000s of companies.
inigyou 8 hours ago|||
How did you get companies to sign up to your website business?
smcg 9 hours ago|||
For every person like you there are thousands who don't want to host!
inbx0 9 hours ago|||
Simply hosting a front-end only app is almost free on several platforms (e.g. Cloudflare). Certainly less than the $99 Apple developer membership fee. It starts getting more expensive once you add back-end servers and databases and whatnot, but you’d be needing those with the App-approach too if your featureset requires that.
al_borland 8 hours ago|||
Not to mention dealing with authentication, securing user data, and opening yourself to being a target for hackers.

Shipping a local app eliminates a lot of those headaches.

ardacinar 6 hours ago|||
Well if you're calling an API you host yourself to populate that said UI, not needing to host that UI as a webpage is not that much of an advantage.
tiborsaas 5 hours ago|||
How many free and easy options do you want me to list?
isaachinman 6 hours ago|||
What the hell?

Make your website static and host it on a CDN. There's nothing expensive or thankless about it.

Stop over engineering.

vaylian 9 hours ago||
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overgard 2 hours ago||
I haven't gotten to it, but I've been meaning to update my personal site from wordpress to just be statically rendered markdown I publish. I realized that I don't want the security surface area, and the features it offers are more or less things I don't even want anymore (post comments, text editor, analytics, etc.) I pretty much just want a static thing I can put on a CDN and never worry about ever again until I have an update. I already designed my (unlaunched) business site that way and I'm very happy with it.
pvtmert 3 hours ago||

  > With only a couple of minutes experimentation I discovered that the app works by concatenating the username and password5 and using it in a URL of the form:
In 2026, these terrible practices still common. Meanwhile we are discussing the LLM generated code quality, the race to the bottom continues...
bearjaws 19 minutes ago|
I don't think an LLM would propose this terrible method ever, at least not any of the big 3.
yard2010 3 hours ago||
Why not both? In Prepbook[0] (shameless plug) we created a web app, then used it to make a native app. You can use whatever you want. I like both. The native app though gives an objectively better experience - you can set timers on the OS level, open recipes in the app using the OS native share menu, etc.

We worked hard so you don't have to vibe code your way to get the experience you prefer.

[0] https://prepbook.app

cwoolfe 3 hours ago||
How can we collectively fix apps/websites that are so poorly built that they take 10 minutes and 100 taps on your smartphone just to do something that could have been done in a minute? Companies put out an app/website as the only way to interface with them, you just have to deal with it. I've daydreamed about starting an agency which scouts bad apps and offers to fix them, as a sort of public service.
rTX5CMRXIfFG 9 hours ago|
I prefer native apps over web apps, but I’m honestly at the point now where I just want to make voice or chat commands and get an output, instead of learning some self-important UI/UX person’s custom UI controls aka “””design system”””
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