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Posted by justswim 9 hours ago

Ghost Font: A font that humans can read but AI cannot(www.mixfont.com)
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throwaway219450 8 hours ago|
I haven’t tried, but it looks like you could trivially solve with optical flow?

Edit: looks like yes, from the shared chats people are posting. But it’s interesting to think of communication schemes that require a temporal component so any single image is unreadable and can’t be beaten by long exposures or other tricks (otherwise persistence of vision displays would satisfy). A sort of physical anti copy/paste.

pessimizer 1 hour ago||
I don't think this works - I suspect it's the decoy that's doing the work. Once the decoy is seen, the LLM stops looking. It also seems pretty much effective on a lot of people, too.

Now that "Ghost Font" will be in the training material, LLMs will go "this looks to be written in Ghost Font, and as such has two messages."

pluc 6 hours ago||
That's... not a font? That's a generated animated image/video?

"A computer font or digital font is a digital data file containing a set of graphically related glyphs"

so it's not a font, humans can't read it and AI can.

Zambyte 3 hours ago||
> I suppose technically, it's not a font in the traditional sense of a TTF font file. But, Ghost Font is an experiment of a way to graphically communicate in writing in a format that AI cannot easily understand

And this thread is seemingly full of people claiming AI can read it while simultaneously sharing that AI could not read the actual message, only the decoy as demonstrated in TFA.

ludwik 2 hours ago||
> And this thread is seemingly full of people claiming AI can read it while simultaneously sharing that AI could not read the actual message, only the decoy as demonstrated in TFA.

That’s 100% on the authors for failing to make the default main “hidden” text and the decoy easily distinguishable. The way this is set up is incredibly confusing.

casey2 3 hours ago||
The glyphs are drawn over the time dimension rather than a spacial one
Kiboneu 2 hours ago||
See also: a "font" that only people high on drugs can read!

https://qri.org/blog/psycrypto-contest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD4nV0CMkBI

Of course, the psychedelic hidden message is reversible with some video processing techniques for everyone else to see. And calling it cryptography is a mis-use of the term. Still an interesting use of the effect.

I don't think "ghost font" will work as well as the author claims.

Findecanor 8 hours ago||
It has bugs with long words: I typed "MARRY AND REPRODUCE". That was the only try that got the last word on a single line, but with too much space between U and C.

If the string is empty, I can read "WRITTEN IN GHOST FONT" very faintly. I'm guessing that is a watermark Edit: Ah, it's decoy text. Of course.

lutusp 1 hour ago||
> ... immediately readable to a human eye, but even leading AI models can't decipher it easily.

For the moment. This pattern is easy to code -- it relies on the premise that a character has an inside and an outside. Outside, a pattern ascends. Inside, the reverse. Based on that simple encoding idea, decoding will be equally simple.

gunapologist99 7 hours ago||
The answers here seem to establish that some frontier models can read it sometimes, but only after tremendous compute.

That still makes it (well, a future version) potentially useful as a captcha if we hate our users but hate AI more.

bmicraft 6 hours ago|
Every single on of those answers I've seen _says_ they did decode it, but each and every one of them only found the decoy message without even realizing it.
solidasparagus 8 hours ago||
When I gave Fable a screenshot it found the GHOST portion of GHOST FONT. Based on pixel density via some python code apparently - https://imgur.com/a/m3c801F
tempodox 4 hours ago||
Technically it works but having to read stuff this way is an unpleasant experience.
tentacleuno 8 hours ago|
An interesting experiment. I suppose that if you make things like CAPTCHAs too hard to do, we'd end up struggling as well. I can't imagine Ghost Font would be a good fit.
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