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Posted by Tiberium 1 day ago

Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended(www.whois.com)
244 points | 182 commentspage 3
withinrafael 1 day ago|
Didn't t.me also support showing previews of entire channels? Perhaps they got hit with a take-down of sorts due to content (e.g., CSAM) on any particular channel?
monkeywork 1 day ago||
someone enforcing a min character policy on them?
shishcat 1 day ago|
No. There are still many 1 char .ME domains available, and they've always costed an high price. https://imgur.com/a/0NL7oA6
shishcat 1 day ago||
serverHold means like "suspicious activity, domain is administratively held and taken off dns"
zuzululu 1 day ago||
i really hope this is it from telegram. its downright causing havoc in countries without the jurisdictional power like korea and japan which have seen insane rise in drug related crime especially in japan they have a new wave of crime from anonymous telegram operators running human cell crime ops
pluralmonad 1 day ago||
Is there a defensible position from which to advocate removing the ability of other people to communicate privately? I can't think of any.
fsuts 1 day ago|||
If telegram disappeared then others would immediately take its place.

Telegram also isnt device to device fully encrypted unless you use a more limited private chat and, as Telegram uses googles messaging service, so likely compromised to NSA anyway.

inigyou 1 day ago|||
That's why they keep getting in trouble. They're not E2EE, but keep refusing court requests just because "we don't wanna"
fsuts 1 day ago||
They moved to Dubai?

So if a court order is obtained in UAE then they will likely comply, but not from other countries?

inigyou 1 day ago||
Or move again or hide forever. They already fled Russia and France. In Dubai they might be able to get protection with money.
fsuts 21 hours ago||
Dubai isn’t a super power, they have to follow what USA and the major countries say.

Wasn’t long ago that they introduced extradition agreements so now it’s not a country anyone can hide in.

inigyou 13 hours ago||
Doesn't mean they'll comply with those agreements under all circumstances. I hear it's a pretty corrupt place.
duskwuff 1 day ago|||
> If telegram disappeared then others would immediately take its place.

I'm not certain that's the case. Telegram has survived in large part because Durov is incredibly wealthy and can afford to shovel money into running the service more or less indefinitely. There's no obvious heir apparent.

lesostep 17 hours ago|||
>> they have a new wave of crime from anonymous telegram operators

I love how your solution isn't "country should decide for themselves and pass the law that suits them" but "let people that have nothing to do with that country take something away from them (sidenote: I also don't have nothing to do with that country)".

Drug abuse is a systematic problem, if telegram single-handedly enabling it to alarming rates, the solution should be at least to ban a tech stack. Otherwise it will get replaced in a seconds.

el_io 1 day ago|||
A domain ban won't be 'it' for telegram.
inigyou 1 day ago|||
What counts as drug related crime?
dymk 1 day ago||
source?
EGreg 1 day ago||
This is what the problem is with DNS.
ceeam 1 day ago||
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ivanmontillam 1 day ago||
It has existed for a while, it's called HNS[0].

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[0]: https://github.com/handshake-org/hsd

inigyou 1 day ago||
Reality: that's just one of many get-rich-quick schemes that have run their course. Nothing makes it more legit than Namecoin or ENS.
nikolay 1 day ago||
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LeoPanthera 1 day ago|
This has nothing to do with ICANN. Status flags are set by the registry.
kajman 1 day ago|||
The Don is too busy selling exclusive TLDs to private companies that won't use them to care what the enforcers are up to.
inigyou 1 day ago||
There are no global enforcers of ccTLD registry behavior. It is completely up to that country. In this case Montenegro.
nikolay 1 day ago|||
Really? So, ICANN enabling registrars to do this is suddenly fine?
ceeam 1 day ago||
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CrzyLngPwd 1 day ago||
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kennywinker 1 day ago|
Do you know the reason, or are you just assuming censorship?
inigyou 1 day ago||
How would it not be censorship?
kennywinker 1 day ago||
If it was due to some other legal dispute, or an accident, or a personal vendetta, or… idk, i will wait and see
inigyou 1 day ago||
so censorship, accident, or censorship. I guess it could be accidental censorship.
kennywinker 1 day ago||
Some other legal dispute - trademark law, for example, isn’t censorship.

Personal vendetta (i hate frank so i sabotaged his work), is also not censorship.

Could also be the result of a hack for ransom, which is also not censorship

Anyway, this is dumb. It probably is censorship, but i’m still gonna need a confirmation before i get mad about it.

inigyou 17 hours ago||
Trademark law is a censorship law. Censorship based on personal vendetta is censorship.
kennywinker 14 hours ago||
I don’t mean to censor you here, but I disagree. If everything is censorship, then censorship becomes meaningless. Anyway, i gotta go censor something for breakfast, have a censor censor. Censor!
inigyou 13 hours ago||
Censorship is when speech or publication is prevented. Hope this explanation helps.
kennywinker 1 hour ago||
Yes well my mouth was full of breakfast so the toast was censoring me.

Incidentally, taking down a domain used for short links doesn’t prevent speech or publication, since they have about 20 other domains that the same info is available at. Like how knocking over a newspaper box doesn’t censor the paper. So, by your own definition this isn’t censorship. Which is weird because it probably is censorship. Almost like your definition is bad.

petcat 1 day ago||
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qurren 1 day ago|
Yep, I would never use a registrar called "go daddy". It always sounded like a registrar for noobs that will take adverse actions to "protect" you and this only confirms this.
Tiberium 1 day ago||
The "serverHold" status is not set by GoDaddy, but by the actual .ME registry https://domain.me/

GoDaddy could apply "clientHold" but not "serverHold"

glitchy99 1 day ago|||
Weird. The .me registry specifically says there are no restrictions and even advertises Telegram.
inigyou 16 hours ago||
Lying in your marketing materials is often useful.
TiredOfLife 19 hours ago|||
GoDaddy owns 38% of .ME registry https://domain.me/
loloquwowndueo 1 day ago|||
What’s your beef? The name? Because I’ve been super happy with porkbun but damn, that name… and then the official-sounding ones like network solutions are quite shady. don’t judge a registrar by its name I guess.
d3Xt3r 1 day ago|||
Not the person you replied to, but GoDaddy are (or at least, were) pretty infamous for their sleazy and sexist ads, eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi0AqS4e6NI

So I can't imagine any serious organisation wanting to do business with them, unless they're a sleazy organisation themselves.

Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_GoDa...

cubefox 1 day ago||
The ad is not sexist, it's sexy/sexualized and humourous, which is something else. And of course it is from 2010, just before the great ... cultural shift.
qurren 1 day ago||||
It just doesn't sound professional, and I wouldn't want some "daddy" in a garage in charge of my domain name.
Dylan16807 1 day ago||
Daddy implies garage? I'm not familiar with that stereotype.
yreg 1 day ago||||
Also namecheap sounds shit, but afaik they have good reputation.
mfkp 1 day ago|||
They used to, before they got bought out by private equity and started jacking up the rates. Moved all my domains to porkbun since then.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45243123

inigyou 1 day ago|||
Not so much any more but I don't remember why. At least they started raising prices. Porkbun is the new Namecheap.

If you are set on Namecheap anyway, Spaceship is a suggested replacement. It's run by Namecheap but with a new codebase.

bawolff 1 day ago|||
I mean, there was that whole elephant hunting thing...
Waterluvian 1 day ago|||
It’s absolutely #%^*ing bizarre to me how many 500+ employee tech companies use it. I just don’t get it. I know IT isn’t web developers but they ought to at least have better opinions on this kind of thing?
iamnothere 1 day ago|||
GoDaddy is a shit registrar, but it has nothing to do with the name. You shouldn’t be basing your choices (or your HN recommendations) on product names, domain names, or other similar “vibes-based” reasoning.

FWIW, I have also never liked the name, but the name is just marketing. This should rank very low in your decision matrix, hopefully.

qurren 13 hours ago||
My vibes are usually correct though.
tarr11 1 day ago|||
Which do you recommend?
belorn 1 day ago|||
I would recommend a registrar that would explain to the customer why they would not want a .me domain for anything critical unless the person lives in Montenegro and trust the Government of Montenegro to maintain a good and trust worthy registry.

Otherwise just use which ever registrar is cheapest and who you think will handle any quirks or shenanigans that registries may do to domains you own, and which own system and processes hold high enough standard for you.

FabCH 1 day ago||
What’s with the shade on Montenegro? .me is a perfectly normal domain.

And the government doesn’t even operate the registrar, it’s operated by doMEn d.o.o. which is a Montenegro version of an LLC.

wwalexander 1 day ago||
ccTLD hacks are both semantically incorrect and geopolitically unstable.

The .io TLD will likely be phased out in the future due to geopolitics, and all the companies who decided it was more important to signal how hacker jargon aware their startup was will have to go through the very difficult process of changing domains.

In order to log into IRS.gov to get a code to pay my USA taxes, I had to verify my USA ID via a private company called ID.me, whose domain name AND company name are now forever tied to the whims of the government of Montenegro.

shishcat 1 day ago|||
FYI, 75,2% of doMEn d.o.o. is controlled by American companies (GoDaddy.com LLC 38.352%, Identity Digital Limited 36.848%)
inigyou 16 hours ago||||
Every non-cc TLD is controlled by the USA which is also geopolitically unstable.
FabCH 1 day ago|||
I mean, the government of Montenegro is a reasonable European democracy on its, admittedly slow, way to join the EU and is a NATO member.

It’s not really any different than this website we are now on being at the whim of the US government.

belorn 21 hours ago|||
The biggest difference is the role of ICANN and their willingness to regulate the management of a TLD. With ccTLD they have an official policy to be hands off and not dictate what a country will do with their top level domain. If the US government would start to mess with Verisign and how the registry handles domain, then ICANN is within their own policy to just move it somewhere else.

The government of Montenegro could, just like many other ccTLD, decide tomorrow that every registrant must be a citizen of Montenegro. Many countries do this today, and it is no big deal because it is the country of and ccTLD that dictate how their domains should be operated. They can raise prices by a factor of 100 if they wanted, decide on some form of ID for registration, or dictate that you must have a company located in the country. ICANN has no objection to any of that.

FabCH 15 hours ago||
ICANN is a nonprofit in California. It doesn’t really have any power on its own. It only exists because everyone from browser developers to server operators to consumers agrees we need a central place to organize stuff.

If the US justice system issued a warrant telling Verisign to do X, what do you think the courts would do to ICANN if they tried to actively stop X from happening? At best, they would be politely asked to stop, at worst, they would get felony charges for obstruction.

inigyou 1 day ago|||
It's very different. If the USA soon starts cancelling politically inconvenient domains, European ones will be safe. Just like Nazi propaganda domains would be censored in Europe, but are safe in the US.

Every domain has a country. It's as if every non-ccTLD was actually underneath .us. For legacy reasons .com .org etc were grandfathered in. gTLDs are also under .us for corrupt reasons.

FabCH 21 hours ago||
Politically inconvenient domains are already routinely seized by the US and there are international agreements in place that allow cross-border takedowns.

Why do you think t.me got taken down? Montenegro doesn’t care about Telegram.

inigyou 13 hours ago||
Maybe India gave them enough reasons to care.
conception 1 day ago||||
porkbun are great
pibaker 1 day ago|||
There is nothing Porkbun or any other registrar can do if Montenegro decides to suspend the domain, which seems to be what actually happened.
Drakim 1 day ago|||
I also recommend porkbun
cute_boi 1 day ago||
Is it better than cloudflare?
inigyou 1 day ago|||
Never use the same company for your hosting or CDN and your domain, and avoid cloudflare in general.

That's because if they don't like your website being on your CDN, and they suspend your account, you'll lose your domain. If your domain is at Porkbun you can change it to point to a different IP address.

And avoid Cloudflare because they're centralising the internet.

drdexebtjl 1 day ago||
Has this actually happened to anyone on Cloudflare Domains?

If they don’t give you access, you can escalate to the ICANN.

yar_sh 1 day ago||||
Porkbun's dns is powered by Cloudflare (they don't hide it on their dns management page), so afaic it's the same can of worms
lolinder 1 day ago|||
Depends on what you mean by better.

I chose Porkbun because it's a small company with good prices, a good vibe, and all the tools that I need. Cloudflare was never going to be on the table because I don't want to feed the beast that is already swallowing the entire internet.

K0IN 1 day ago||
i use it too,can only recommend, also funny website btw.
5701652400 1 day ago||||
squarespace is legit. GCP cloud domains are moved to them.
arjie 1 day ago|||
Never had any trouble with them, but also moving away from them is unnecessarily hard (the code sometimes takes a day to arrive) and they cover the entire interface with their paid hosting stuff which makes them a poor registrar. I ended up on them because of Google Domains selling off but got off them because very annoying to use.
5701652400 19 hours ago||
hm, tbh for me Squarespace is the most professional and ad-free UI (compare to Godaddy, and others)
lolinder 1 day ago|||
I'd honestly be careful with squarespace. They are owned by private equity, advertise on countless YouTube channels, and at the same time their core market is under a looming threat from the AI companies.

You need your domain registrar to be stable and predictable. Their profile is not that.

5701652400 19 hours ago||
which one then?
lolinder 16 hours ago||
Porkbun has been good to me and a lot of others.
konart 1 day ago||||
I'm quite comfortable with Netim
SoftTalker 1 day ago||||
I've never had a problem with Namecheap but I'm not sure they are really any better as I've never had a problem with GoDaddy either.
sebastiennight 1 day ago|||
My understanding is that both GoDaddy and Namecheap used to do domain front running[0] at the time I was registering my first handful of commercial domains, so I've always avoided even using their search engines.

I wonder if the practice still exists.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting#Domain_name_fro...

deepspace 1 day ago|||
I don't believe Namecheap ever did that, unless that was in the distant past. Never had a problem with them.
aaron695 1 day ago|||
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glitchy99 1 day ago||||
My bank automatically blocks payments to Namecheap. When I had domains with them, I had to call and give prior approval for the exact amount I would be paying. My bank claimed it was because of a high number of fraudulent charges.
IAmGraydon 1 day ago||
Weird. I've been a customer for 15 years and never had any such problem.
kennywinker 1 day ago|||
Namecheap got bought by private equity fairly recently, so i switched away from them. Wouldn’t recommend starting with them just in time for the enshittification to start.
lolinder 1 day ago||
Their prices had already been going up for a few years before that, which finally pushed me off them starting around August of last year. I'm about to swap my final few domains over this month before they renew.

Porkbun has been great so far. Easy to use, refreshingly minimal, and good prices.

rationalist 1 day ago||||
Dynadot. One of the largest registrars, and very competitive pricing like Namecheap. They also have very good features.
drdexebtjl 1 day ago||||
I’ve been happy with Gandi.net for years now. They’re based in France.
FabCH 1 day ago||
FYI - Gandi was great, but they got bought by private equity a few years back and the price skyrocketed and service went downhill super fast after the buyout.
drdexebtjl 1 day ago||
Oh. I haven’t had to renew in a few years. Any EU-based alternative you suggest for when my next renewal comes up?
FabCH 21 hours ago||
If EU++ is ok, Infomaniak.
pbgcp2026 1 hour ago||||
.onion This is only thing left, really. (Yes, yes – I do understand it's a hidden service. :-))
s13k 1 day ago||||
porkbun
neverusingit 1 day ago||
Stupid fucking name
Dylan16807 1 day ago||
You made an account just to complain that a company's name is a random noun?
qurren 1 day ago||||
AWS Route53 or Namecheap
wwalexander 1 day ago||||
Cloudflare
IAmGraydon 1 day ago|||
Cloudflare
axus 1 day ago||
So far so good, for personal use; they have the lowest renewal prices for top level domains.
inigyou 1 day ago||
Just be aware they can arbitrarily take it away from you. If that's fine with you, go ahead.
arm32 1 day ago||
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