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Posted by bundie 5 hours ago

Samsung Health app threatens data deletion if users opt out AI training(neow.in)
222 points | 61 commentspage 2
qmarchi 2 hours ago|
I use a Watch 6 Classic, just went in to find this toggle. Doesn't seem to exist in the Japanese market at least.
sam1r 4 hours ago||
I was under the assumption that because of GDPR (which is in effect..).. or current "end-user metadata storage" best practices.. if you (a website/or app) didn't immediately disclose to the user what data is being used,stored, and why it is -- then you shouldn't store it at all.

If you agree that the world needs better examples today, then Samsung has definitely showed one.

Citizen_Lame 3 hours ago|
GDPR is dead in the water.
vcryan 4 hours ago||
Yes, please - delete my health data. I want my health data - I didn't want Samsung or anyone else to have it unless I provide it. And even then, you can't keep it - you can look at it. It's mine.
garbagewoman 3 hours ago|
You’re hoping that they will do what they say
Madmallard 2 hours ago||
How does this not violate HIPAA?
arjie 1 hour ago||
How is HIPAA relevant here? Samsung isn't a covered entity. HIPAA is not just "I have some health data" freebie. Might as well ask why it doesn't violate Sarbanes-Oxley or Jim Crow.
codingdave 2 hours ago||
Because HIPAA only applies to specific people and organizations who have a formal role in your health care. It is not a universal law applicable to everyone, and Samsung is not your healthcare provider, insurer, nor part of any related entity.
Madmallard 1 hour ago||
It probably should apply. The spirit of HIPAA is the protection of health information.
tamimio 2 hours ago||
I actually don’t know why people are always surprised when this happens, it’s not your data anymore no matter whatever regulations are there. The other day I reactivated my apple music to get a specific shazam song (I don’t use it anymore or any SaaS for that matter, have my navidrome server for years), but little to my surprise, all my playlists and songs are gone, deleted, everything as if it’s a new account! I thought it’s a glitch and googled it, turned out there are a LOT of people who had all their years of music wiped out for not having the subscription for two weeks only.. so yeah, always own your stuff, especially if you pay for it.
zelphirkalt 4 hours ago||
That reminds me of a story by a former coworker of mine, who had a xing account and repeatedly asked them to not send me him ads and spam e-mails. They ultimately closed his account.

Some companies are so dead set on doing this shit, that they don't even have mechanism in place that would enable them to act upon you opting out. It is a sign of dysfunctional companies. You can also observe this, when you send companies a GDPR request for deletion and they do eeeeverything to not have to go into their shitty system and delete the data, because that would require them to do manual work.

ThePowerOfFuet 4 hours ago||
What's with the tracked sharing link?

Tracking-free link: https://www.neowin.net/news/samsung-will-delete-your-health-...

ChrisArchitect 4 hours ago||
unshortened link: https://www.neowin.net/news/samsung-will-delete-your-health-...
varispeed 4 hours ago||
Samsung should be fined out of existence for this.
cute_boi 3 hours ago|
Well there is no incentive for government to keep citizen data private.
kelseyfrog 4 hours ago|
Am I reading this wrong? It sounds like, short of self-hosting your health data, this is the best of both worlds. Avoiding zombie data retention and avoiding AI? Where do I sign?
ribosometronome 4 hours ago|
Blocking backups and consequently reducing data portability doesn't really sound like the best of both worlds.
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