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Posted by roundabout-host 15 hours ago

European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS(github.com)
467 points | 318 commentspage 4
iLoveOncall 15 hours ago||
I agree with the sentiment but is there even any phone that doesn't run Android (or derivatives) or iOS and that can install modern "apps"?
sebtron 15 hours ago||
Why does it have to be a phone? Some people still use tablets, laptops and, believe it or not, desktop PCs.
xienze 14 hours ago|||
Smartphones are much more ubiquitous than any of those devices. Across all demographics.
marginalia_nu 14 hours ago||
Accessibility doesn't end with catering to most people though. Since this will be a prerequisite to communicate online, that simply isn't good enough.
xienze 14 hours ago||
You're under the impression that your concerns matter. What matters is the end game of tying real identity to digital identity.
marginalia_nu 14 hours ago||
Well my concerns happen to be my constitutional rights.
iLoveOncall 14 hours ago|||
Tablets would be compatible, and there's absolutely no indication that there won't be a separate system for computers.

It's actually disingenuous to think there won't be. This is a repository for a mobile app only.

roundabout-host 14 hours ago||
The spec mandates mobile versions to exist, and not PC ones. While a PC version can be provided, no government will do that, because they will do the bare minimum.
_factor 15 hours ago|||
This will ensure there never is.
roundabout-host 14 hours ago|||
Android derivatives are not considered enough, because they will not be Google-attested, so the app will refuse them.
lexlambda 15 hours ago|||
You must realize, age verification is for more then just Googles Android apps.

Such a strong new legal framework must consider consumer hardware actually in use:

- Android variations Like GrapheneOS, Huawei's HarmonyOS, older phones running custom ROMs - Linux phones, which are sold in the EU and by EU companies

- Desktop operating systems

All of them can run Web Apps, and thus need age verification

pluralmonad 5 hours ago||
Well, none of them _need_ age verification.
zzril 14 hours ago|||
My PinePhone runs postmarketOS and can technically run every modern Linux desktop "app".
mrsssnake 8 hours ago|||
Even on the Android or iOS phone the EU app won't run if the device owner made even a tiniest change of the operating system without Google or Apple approval.

The EU developed system excludes the 1% of people for which the popular mobile solutions do not work and also make the rest 99% totally dependent on the selected corporations.

asadotzler 6 hours ago|||
Windows and Mac have billions of users.
hahahaa 15 hours ago||
Run linux?
roundabout-host 12 hours ago||
I don't understand. Even if you run GNU/Linux, when you access a restricted website on it, you will have to scan a QR code with the Android or iOS app. <https://cinema.ageverification.dev> is a demo which shows that.
iLoveOncall 7 hours ago||
> https://cinema.ageverification.dev is a demo which shows that.

Unrelated to the substance of the comment but this is a depressing example. Imagine having to verify your age and your identity to buy a movie ticket. This is pure insanity.

Dark times are ahead. Anyone that doesn't see we'll all be living in dictatorships within the next 10 years is putting their head in the sand.

nullbio 6 hours ago||
Fuck the globalists.
gentlerain 14 hours ago||
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christkv 8 hours ago||
Tells us the us is some sort of failed democracy then implements China like access control for the population because they want to ensure they can prosecute you for wrong think in the future. Yeah Im loving this "liberal order" that looks more like good old facism dressed up to look "nice". Even how the passing of chat control was done has ensured I´m voting for any party that will dismantle the EU. EU Parliament is not a democratic of representative institution. Its about as legitimate and democratic as the Duma in Russia.
Beijinger 15 hours ago|
I am not a fan of such an "app". But the app is, as far as I understand, for things like Facebook, TikTok etc.

Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors?

WebOS was nice but who is still using this? Symbian? Can you even use Social Media Apps with another phone OS?

uniq7 15 hours ago||
> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors

Yes, there are many more: GNU/Linux, Windows, macOS, *BSD, etc.

This will prevent people who only own a computer and not a modern iOS/Android smartphone from accessing services and platforms.

This also sets a very strong anti-competition pressure. Which company will try now to invest on developing a new OS for smartphones if we already know users will not be able to access the most popular services & platforms with it?

anthk 15 hours ago||
Well, that would boost up torrent and sites and places like Usenet and IRC with no age verification at all. English speakers can just use overseas servers (or non-UE services such as the ones in Switzerland). And maybe Usenet servers outside the US too.

Spanish speakers in Spain will just register services in Latinamerica sites with a VPN. Despite the dialect differences, non-jargon Spanish it's understood everywhere and once they got their user registered they can switch the country anytime.

Distros like Trisquel will just set their sites and mirrors outside the EU. And, well, if they provide a portable torrent client for Windows among the torrent the law would be utterly broken.

joe_mamba 14 hours ago||
>or non-UE services such as the ones in Switzerland

Switzerland absolutely complies to EU (and US) demands for a long time now, when it comes to prosecuting crimes.

Swiss privacy and anonymity is a myth from a bygone era.

hogwasher 14 hours ago|||
Yes. LineageOS, GrapheneOS, Arch, Sailfish, various other open distros, Windows Phone, and a surprising number of random proprietary options (these are sometimes based on Android, and have some social media apps, but can't run regular Android apps that weren't specifically designed or altered for it) including for modern dumbphones. There are always more over time, too.

There's also old versions of iOS and Android. We don't want to end up in a situation where people are locked into one of only two vendors and can be forced to keep buying the newest model to use an ID app that only supports the most recent software. That'd be even worse for the environment than the current disposable smartphone culture.

Everything to do with the age verification push is corrupt and stupid to begin with. There isn't even a legitimate cause behind all this for forcing ANY app, even if it didn't also force people to buy a specific, expensive, privacy-invading American product.

lexlambda 15 hours ago|||
as far as I'm aware, Adroid is not the same as the requirement here, which requires specific Google attestation.

There is GrapheneOS, HarmonyOS by Huawei, LineageOS for older phones and many more Android ROMs.

Additionally, Linux phones exist and are already sold in the EU to consumers, not just a prototype.

There's really no justification around limiting the OS selection.

There is also Linux, Windows, MacOS and many more operatint system not limited to phones.

sebtron 15 hours ago|||
> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors?

Like Windows, MacOS and Linux?

mghackerlady 6 hours ago|||
SailfishOS, various incompatible blends of AOSP, KaiOS, and the Mocor based OSs run on various UNISOC based dumb phones
ThatMedicIsASpy 15 hours ago|||
I'm on SailfishOS since a couple of years
mrsssnake 8 hours ago|||
Even in a world where Android and iOS have 100% of market share, the law (including indirect but obvious consequences of the law) should not force using them.
troupo 15 hours ago||
> Are there any other Operating Systems than iOS, Android or Android flavors?

I remember a gov.uk team presentation. They had a usecase of someone using a PS Vita to access a government assistance program because that was the only device they had access to.

Among 450 million people in the EU there are definitely more OSes than just latest versions of iOS and Android.