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Posted by shintoist 18 hours ago

How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing(jola.dev)
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geoffbp 9 hours ago|
Add “not just” to the list of Claudeisms!
65 14 hours ago||
But how can I make Gemini stop using "It's not this, it's that" every other sentence?
kesor 14 hours ago||
Let me circle-back to you on that one.
r_lee 13 hours ago||
You hit the nail on the head!
janpeuker 12 hours ago||
Gotta appreciate the hook solution to save context and cost
jchook 17 hours ago||
SillyTavern folks have been perfecting the unslop solutions for years now.

Gotta be a way to draw from their progress.

orbital-decay 15 hours ago|
There are no real solutions, it has to be fixed during the training. ST folks have tried many non-working ways over the years, but two workarounds are more or less worth considering:

- Samplers that increase prose variance. They require running the model locally, they dumb it down, and never fix the actual issue, which is mode collapse leading to semantic collapse and rigid mapping of input to output concepts. The model still expresses the same ideas in different words.

- Let the model write anything if it couldn't resist, but check and fix it in the verification pass. This solves the semantic problem, but cannot solve the variance since the second pass is also subject to rigid mapping, i.e. you replace it with the same stuff over and over. The verification prompt can be randomized to a degree using pretty clever schemes to give it some variance, but of course this also fails in predictable ways.

timcobb 14 hours ago||
Does anyone have a theory for what causes Claude to speak this way? A few months ago OpenAI came out with a bit on "gremlins". It's strange IMO that Anthropic hasn't addressed how irritating, dare I say oppressive, Claude can be. Codex is a breath of fresh air. I hope they fix it soon. If product folks at Anthropic think it's charming, it's not, it's terrible.
NichoPaolucci 13 hours ago||
I had a VP of engineering that loved to use “abstracty” engineering terms like Claude uses. Perhaps he was operating one level above what everyone else was doing.

Loved to use fancy words, speak at a “conceptual” level. Unfortunately it was mostly just tech mumbo-jumbo and he couldn’t actually back it up with real work - but I wonder if that’s why Claude does it. Makes it seem like a higher power, hand wavey abstractions that “seem” correct but don’t actually need to be rooted in truth or detailed.

“That’s exactly the type of seam we need to prepare for in a prod-like environment, if this change lands in the data plane, we’ve effectively shut down the load bearing critical path that was needed. It’s not over-engineered; it’s the right thing to do.”

Thanks Claude, whatever that means.

Terretta 7 hours ago||
Fairly certain it's when its confidence level is too low on the right word, it hits a stock phrase instead.

When you see the metaphor or euphemism or simile is off, the selection is not quite apt, it seems the stock phrase or term is rather more probable however askew than the precise phase, and it was already low confidence about what it's trying to say, so – as it's never said – Bob's your uncle.

"Honestly/honest" is, um, absolutely (ahem) one of those and if one listens carefully, one will notice humans use "Honestly? Blah blah…" that way as well.

It taps into load-bearing speech to prop up (see, that works) unsupported claims.

All the words I just used are correct in that sentence, doing exactly (ahem) the work they're supposed to. It doesn't have that level of nuance, isn't sure, so tries to sound like what's probably right.

They're a verbal shrug.

dools 1 hour ago||
Now do “shape”.
codesnik 14 hours ago||
huh. I wonder if it's possible to use those hooks to add syntax highlighting to shell commands claude issues, or to replace full path to current directory with ./
dumpHero2 12 hours ago||
7 mentions of "smoking gun" here so far!
fabiofzero 10 hours ago||
Write your goddamn emails and texts yourself, dummy.
WolfeReader 8 hours ago|
Now this is the sort of stock phrase AI should use more
KronisLV 10 hours ago|
I hope some day they just train the models to be better, the slop writing is insanely frustrating and I don't think there's a good reason for things to be that way (in other words, they just trained it badly) https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/ai-slop-is-a-self-inflicted-tra...
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