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Posted by yenniejun111 9 hours ago

Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?(www.artfish.ai)
345 points | 338 commentspage 4
throwaway2027 8 hours ago|
Maybe, let me ask my coding agent what he thinks about this.
AyanamiKaine 5 hours ago||
I believe its "too much" as soon as we trade procedural knowledge against declarative knowledge so much you can only remember the what and not be able to do the how anymore.

Knowing declarative you need to loop over elements and actually being able to write the for loop as procedural knowledge are two different shoes. I believe that this is the real danger.

Pilots have much automation in the cockpit but the pilot needs simulation hours actually flying not relying on the autopilot.

If you dont write code you will forget/loose much accuracy writing it, its just a matter of time.

capocasa 3 hours ago||
Definitely, but since my experience is that without the AI the thinking simply wouldn't happen at all in most cases it's a net improvement.
laybak 2 hours ago||
the Ken Liu story linked in the article is actually spot on. would recommend giving that a quick read
jpmitchell 7 hours ago||
To answer the title's question directly? Yes, I think so. Or at least that it is a legitimate hazard.

I think the analogy to hyper-palatable, calorific food works well:

Humans adapted for a world with too little food. Then once there was too much, obesity and overeating became a problem for the first time. Self discipline is the cost we have to pay for this kind of abundance.

We now have a general-purpose way to offload mental effort, and are discovering in real-time the negative consequences of that.

I use AI for coding, but I feel I've moved past the honey-moon period and am now learning how to use it in a way that is not a detriment. If I care about the work I'm doing I don't want the AI to do it for me, even if it could. Deciding what work I want/should be doing myself vs what can be delegated is a new skill I, and I believe we all need to learn.

ergonaught 8 hours ago||
It's a well done and thought-provoking article.

The reality is that most humans do very little actual thinking of their own anyway, and, if you believe that what LLMs produce constitutes a form of intelligence, it does seem "more intelligent" than most humans.

So: is outsourcing thinking a net improvement for a majority of users?

I use several models, daily, and they seem "reasonably conditioned" that they are only input to my thinking and not "my thinking". I correct them constantly; they are wrong (in reasoning/logic, in actual facts) frequently. They are demonstrably "not smarter" than I am. And yet I know many people who can "do more" with them as a "thinking" tool. I can say that "the problem" is they can't spot the errors, but they can't or won't do that in their ordinary lives, either, so, again, is it a net improvement for them?

Interesting times and all that.

MSkill1 8 hours ago||
I do feel like I'm offloading thinking to an AI, but I think that's a good thing. I envision a world where users and AI are aligned without corporate interference. AI lets me offload things that I don't need to know and frees up my brain to push farther than I could before. At least that's how it feels to me.
PapstJL4U 8 hours ago||
>AI lets me offload things that I don't need to know and frees up my brain to push farther than I could before.

How can you push your brain go farther than ever, when you don't use it for the basic task?

Higher Math does not work without understanding "lower" Math, running long runs does not work without starting on shorter runs. Thinking about complicated staff will probly not work, if you can't think about the easy stuff.

One can not learn a language without vocabulary and skipping learning verbs in a foreign language, because dictionaries exists does not bring one closer to being able to speak.

MSkill1 7 hours ago||
I agree that when you're building mathematical understanding, you have to do it brick by brick. But the fact of the matter is it's been decades since I did a long division problem by hand. AI lets me jump into areas that I would previously have had to spend a month studying before I could begin building - That's what I mean by it lets me reach farther, faster.
recursive 7 hours ago||
You don't always have to do division by hand. I would make the argument that it's probably good to do it occasionally. At least enough to remember how.
Ronsenshi 8 hours ago|||
I don't think offloading things that you "think" you don't need to know is a realistic thing. Instead this seems like some slippery slope of intellectual degradation where slowly you'll replace more and more parts of the thought process with AI which ends in some rather sad existence.
jbreckmckye 8 hours ago||
I agree, I suspect that when we say "oh, I don't need to know this", what we really mean is we have that unpleasant feeling behind our eyes that says this is not going to gratify my goal

The issue being, gratification is rarely a good guideline. It just means collapsing the gap between doing the thing and the idea of having done the thing. But that gap is where you actually learn things

sebastianconcpt 8 hours ago||
Is a good thing depending on which ones. And our taste on what to specialize our judgment into varies a lot. One thing I do use as criteria to detect it can be a problem is in lack of understanding and lack of control of the layers that are part of verifications and diagnosing power.
jstummbillig 6 hours ago||
I have no idea what people are doing. I am thinking more about harder problems than ever before.

It goes like: "Here is this thing I wonder about", and the LLM is like "Yeah sure, consider these things that are super related to what you are doing, that you probably know nothing about yet (but you know... if you are interested...)".

And that goes in any direction, for any depth. Anything that is made trivial now, is just replaced by something more consequential a level or two higher. You can just get much better at things that matter more.

OptionOfT 6 hours ago||
I'm going to say: yes.

I think partially it is because of the amount of data you can get out of an LLM and because it looks pretty good, a lot of people treat it as authoritative.

This means they send it around and then other people have to go through the work of actually validating it before being able to act on it.

So what this really means is that the person you go the information from offloaded their thinking to the AI, while cannibalizing on yours.

aogaili 6 hours ago|
Clearly "mechanical" thinking has been automated, and you are better off, if not forced to outsource to AI. Humans have the biological needs, consciousness, taste and imagination, that's what we are left with thus far.

And just like people going to the gym to exercise their otherwise economically useless bodies, same thing will happen with the mind.

Folks, get over it.

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