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Posted by cdrnsf 5 hours ago

The Tower Keeps Rising(lucumr.pocoo.org)
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cheschire 1 hour ago|
Douglas Adams basically predicted Wikipedia on smartphones, and I suspect we are only a few years away from babelfish ear buds.
Tagbert 1 hour ago|
Apple AirPods and Google buds both can do automatic translation. It's still a little too slow and is a little clumsy to use but it's getting better fast.
ddp26 1 hour ago||
> I can ask an agent to add OAuth, you can ask one to add caching, and somebody else can ask one to rebuild the database from first principles and make the UI pink. Each change can be reasonable in isolation.

But this is just bad vibecoding? This would be bad if humans did it too. With agents or humans, you need to coordinate.

luciana1u 1 hour ago||
the tower keeps rising but the elevator pitch for every new floor is 'it solves the problems created by the floor below it'
trjordan 3 hours ago||
The agent will always fill in the gaps in your understanding. It's not a compiler. It's categorically different from any of the other ways we've built software.

I'm not sure reading code is coming back. The ritual of reading code must come back, because that's the only way to build products that don't collapse under their own incoherence, both technically and visibly.

"just ask Claude" is fine, but it's not the end state

thadk 2 hours ago||
Three or so years ago, Omar, the creator of DSpy pointed out on Twitter that ~LLMs get better most by better internal collaboration. Wish I could find it.

It seems to me that LLMs and particularly chatbots have already allowed for bigger scale collaboration within the LLM companies versus what was possible within the prior cohort of big platform companies.

Has the result just been taller towers, or actually a change of what is possible?

conartist6 4 hours ago||
Does it really keep rising? Many of my fondest memories of technology come from times past...
CobrastanJorji 4 hours ago||
I interpret "keeps rising" negatively. Changes keep getting made, certainly. The AIs will perhaps never fail to fulfill your feature request. But there's no overall plan. It's just undirected, cancerous growth. It's Homer Simpson telling a team of automotive engineers to add feature after feature.
a2dam 3 hours ago|||
This isn't really a good way to judge things. In the future, the fondest memories someone else has about technology will be about the present. The past is not better, you're just nostalgic for it.
jambalaya8 2 hours ago||
Every time I think the past was better, I think about how terrible ksh scripting was in 1995. And look at how great peoples' bash scripting is now compared to when we though bash had reached its apex in like 2009.
archonis 38 minutes ago||
Conversely, Rexx scripting on the desktop was glorious in 1995.
GlickWick 4 hours ago|||
The tower is not about fondness, its about growth
conartist6 4 hours ago||
Is growth enough if technology makes our lives worse? Is a tower the pride of the civilization if a strong gust of wind could bring it down? It is before the gust, when all that matters is that the tower is tall rather than strong. After the gust, things are a bit more nuanced. Fingers are pointed.

The tricky part here is that you can't tell if a once-topmost part of the tower is sturdy until a great deal more tower is resting on it. Well, now a lot the economy is resting on little other than AI dreams. Your move, rational people.

archonis 37 minutes ago||
Cancer is also growth.
BigTTYGothGF 2 hours ago||
> Many of my fondest memories of technology come from times past...

Is that because of the technology or because of who you were at the time?

guessbest 2 hours ago||
I don't know why people hold on to all this extra software and features when with the tools its easier than ever to strip that out and refactor the end product in to a much more compact deliverable. Maybe once upon a time it was useful to keep legacy parts of the software solution around, but it can be recreated with fresh eyes if needed given the power of the new LLM models. My philosophy is if its not needed, it needs to be removed.
overfeed 2 hours ago||
AI replaces a single tower with millions of 5-over-1s[1]. The aggregate height, and speed of construction mind-boggling, but when each building is considered individually, not very impressive.

1. Perhaps with a handful of skyscrapers sprinkled in.

abraxas 1 hour ago|
so the post-AI landscape is software as a shanty town? That's not a bad analogy. We won't like the looks of it and it will barely function but like real life shanty towns it will function nonetheless.
archonis 34 minutes ago||
Kowloon Walled City.
aaron_m04 2 hours ago||
This could've been a much better article without the strained Tower of Babel article.
jadbox 2 hours ago|
This reminds me of Ted Chiang's "Tower of Babylon". You really should read it (and all of TC's works)!
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