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Posted by nekusar 12 hours ago

Sony deletes more movies from the accounts of people who ‘bought’ them(www.techdirt.com)
576 points | 365 commentspage 5
cubefox 11 hours ago|
Interesting also that even this article doesn't mention "DRM" anywhere despite the fact that this is exactly the worst case scenario DRM critics have always warned about.

(Personally I would consider DRM okay if Sony's behavior here was illegal without a full refund.)

jonhohle 9 hours ago|
This has happened since the beginning of DRM. I had a roommate who bought hundreds of dollars of music from the Walmart music store because WMAs were like 59¢ instead of 99¢ from iTunes. It seems like not even a year later they shutdown the store and the certificate expired and PlaysForSure stopped playing for sure. That was around 2003.

20 years later will anyone do anything about it? Of course not.

What is going to be the event that gets laws to change? Probably not a few movies viewable only from Sony devices.

shevy-java 9 hours ago||
Well - I actually think the problem is not Sony being malicious here, per se, but the legislation. There has to be a guarantee as if it were a physical copy, as-is. The right to repair movement has the same cause ultimately. You purchase something, you own it, no matter what counter-legalese is tried.

The USA really needs to stop being a corporate-country. Weren't the republicans all about the people at one point in time? Now they are all about the billionaires and family dynasties pillaging what they can, with the forerunner the mad orange king pillaging the most. And starting wars he loses by default, after promising to not start wars.

inigyou 9 hours ago||
I don't think they were ever all about the people.
nemomarx 8 hours ago||
when do you recall them being about the people? it's gotta be before Bush so maybe I just didn't grow up with it
jmclnx 11 hours ago||
And yet Sony wonders why people pirate their movies. In this case here the owners who had their movies stolen should be able to steal them back.
mrweasel 10 hours ago||
If you cared enough, I do wonder if you could win in court, if you pirated a movie that you purchased on the PS5, but Sony removed. It would cost you an ungodly amount of money to defend yourself against Sony, and I don't know the exact words of the "license", but it seems like a reasonable action to take.
Sohcahtoa82 9 hours ago|||
It'd be a case where the spirit of the law clashes with the letter of the law.

Sony's lawyers would argue about how things are, while your defense has to argue about how things should be.

Which way it goes likely depends on how sympathetic the judge is rather than actual arguments being made.

cube00 9 hours ago|||
I wonder if their use of a "buy" button would potentially weaken their case regardless of the language they put in the EULA.
joe_mamba 11 hours ago||
Sony's recent movies aren't even worth pirating
s_dev 11 hours ago|||
Into and Beyond the Spiderverse are flawless movies.
bluescrn 10 hours ago||
The first one was 8 years ago, in the pre-Covid world.
trencedamp 11 hours ago|||
Madame Web anyone
cryo32 11 hours ago||
My daughter went to watch that and walked out. To compare, she managed to make it through Cats.
forgetfreeman 11 hours ago||
Jesus. That might be the most succinctly brutal movie review I've ever seen. quietly scratches Madam Web off the to-do list
arcticbison 11 hours ago||
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butterfi 10 hours ago||
Its all a bit hand wavy nonsense. Own a physical copy? How long until its unplayable because either the media corrupts or the player isn't available? The only real "ownership" is the IP, everything else is just renting.
cesaref 9 hours ago||
All information is ephemeral, but I don't honestly think that argument holds much weight here.

I'm currently listening to a record which was pressed before I was born, and that will outlast me. My CDs were ripped around 2000 to a drive and i've streamed then since. I've still got the CDs though, and the last time I played one it worked fine on my 1989 vintage transport.

I think i'm good.

another-dave 9 hours ago|||
Why wouldn't a player be available though? CD/DVD players won't just suddenly stop working. My CDs and CD players at home from the 1990s are still working completely fine.

If they do want to posit it as this, I'd personally be fine if they said "a CD will work for 100k plays before corrupting" so you'll have 100,000 credits to stream The Wizard of Oz before you need to purchase it again.

But they need to say that upfront.

nemomarx 10 hours ago|||
own a physical copy, rip it into a digital format. legal and works pretty well to keep up with the times
atomicnumber3 9 hours ago|||
I trust the pressing on a CD or vinyl to remain readable SIGNIFICANTLY more than I trust any corporation to do literally anything, including "continue to exist".
1970-01-01 8 hours ago|||
A laser-engraved QR code can store 3KB, enough for an entire ebook. The file format isn't the problem here.
mrguyorama 8 hours ago||
The DVDs I got in my childhood 20 years ago still work just fine, the drives to read them are $20 or less, and ripping them to a format I can use more conveniently and backup however I want is a single button click.

Plastic discs are the optimum data distribution format. They degrade in the same time frame as a paper book, essentially lifetime, you retain legal rights like the first sale doctrine, you can easily format shift for safety and storage, and nobody can take any of that from you ever, and you can use that data however you like, as long as you aren't trying to sell bootlegs.

Books and plastic discs are infinitely better than the digital realm. The consumer rights are so much stronger and better.

1970-01-01 9 hours ago|

     boolean bought = true;
     boolean owns = false;

        if (bought && owns) {
            System.out.println("Purchase resulted in ownership.");
        } else if (bought) {
            System.out.println("Purchase did not result in ownership. You have rented.");