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Posted by vincent_s 9 hours ago

Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence(www.kimi.com)
https://www.kimi.com/en

Kimi K3 Intelligence, Performance & Price Analysis: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/kimi-k3

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pr337h4m 8 hours ago|
It does seem to have retained the K2 series's creative writing abilities, at least with the prompts I've tested so far.
Alifatisk 6 hours ago|
Good that they are keeping it, Kimis way of speaking and conveying some sort of EQ is absolutely the best. The other models might be better at certain things, but nothing comes close to how good Kimi is at understanding language, emotions and reading the room in conversations.

I should maybe also mention that I have not used the later models like Opus or Fable, so my opinion might be a bit outdated.

When I remember that this site even showed Kimi having the highest score at one point https://eqbench.com

Gecko4072 7 hours ago||
Very interesting to see how Gemini 3.5 Pro stacks up against this new wave of models. Hope they have something similar to a Gemini 3.1 moment soon. Their speciality has always been math and multi modal intelligence and the new models are recently all very coding focused.
copperx 5 hours ago||
Why Gemini 3.5 Pro in particular?
Gecko4072 4 hours ago||
The only major player left in this round if I’m not mistaken.
seatac76 5 hours ago||
Bloomberg has an exclusive today about how internal metrics on Gemini 3.5 Pro are not good enough, thus the release is delayed.

(Not posting link coz paywall)

Gecko4072 4 hours ago||
https://www.reuters.com/business/google-gemini-launch-delaye...
InsideOutSanta 4 hours ago||
The blog post is now online:

https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k3

- The blog post is explicitly saying that the model is open; that language was removed from the previously shared link

- It shows benchmarks

I've been playing around with it for the past few hours, and I think it's an amazing model. I'm not sure I could tell the difference between this and Fable in a blind test. The quota in the $100 Kimi Coding plan seems to roughly align with what I get from the $200 Anthropic plan when I primarily use Fable.

cesarvarela 2 hours ago|
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smalltorch 9 hours ago||
Account creation with only a phone number or google account is lame.
kleiba2 8 hours ago||
Especially if you don't have a phone and don't want to use your google account for anything but gmail, for privacy reasons. Both of these point apply to me, for instance.
CommieBobDole 3 hours ago|||
Also, the dark pattern where it shows the interface and lets you enter a prompt/set settings, but then pops up the 'create account' dialog when you press submit is pretty annoying.
WorldPeas 1 hour ago|||
openrouter's a good option, though it has a price markup
ThouYS 5 hours ago||
same, precisely the reason I haven't signed up yet. GLM can be used without any account fwiw
swimwiththebeat 4 hours ago||
Did anyone see on the blog post[0] that it was able to code up an entire GPU compiler from scratch? It looks like it even outperformed triton on some GPU kernels. That just seems insane to me.

Wonder if they’ll open-source this and show how many tokens it cost.

[0] https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k3

yieldcrv 1 hour ago||
Anthropic needs to IPO and dump on you all’s retirement plans quick

This was only a month and a half delay after Opus 4.8 and Fable 5 spent 18 days in embargo, resurrected with a strict classifier that handicaps it

We’re at endgame

sdfefcxv 59 minutes ago|
Its already too late

The sentiment has shifted far too much amongst the investor community and amongst enterprises who are the life-blood of the revenue streams of Anthropic and OAI.

Further releases of Chinese models that demonstrate the gap is not growing substantially is a huge problem. The spending will be called into question.

elinear 3 hours ago||
Is K3 marked as a proprietary model because its weights have not been released yet? Were there indications from Moonshot that K3 would or would not be open weights?
InsideOutSanta 3 hours ago|
The blog post says it's going to be open, but I don't think the weights have been released yet:

> Kimi K3 is the first open model to reach 2.8 trillion parameters. It marks the latest step in Kimi's sustained push at the scaling frontier: for nine of the past twelve months, Kimi models have set the upper bound of open-model sizes.

https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k3

tfehring 3 hours ago||
> The full model weights will be released by July 27, 2026.

Still sensible to mark proprietary for now though.

baq 3 hours ago||
not much reason to think this won't happen except unconfirmed gossip, but I fully expect the next one to not be released. actually I won't be surprised if even this release was withheld and the announcement withdrawn.
grommz 6 hours ago||
Imagine you're a mid sized company and you can host this model locally. Suddenly there are zero reasons to pay a single red cent to the bloodsucking American AI cartel.
cavemandaveman 6 hours ago||
Can you host the model for a lower cost per token than you'd pay Anthropic or OpenAI for a similar level of intelligence? I doubt you're beating their efficiencies of scale.
zbendefy 4 hours ago|||
I dont have estimates on the cost of running models, but I think openai and anthropic are running on subsidized prices. At actual prices it might be worth it in the future.
anthonypasq 4 hours ago||
how is this idea still so persistent? The fact people are able to run open models with about the same performance at 1/10th the cost should make it glaringly obvious that Anthropic has massive inference margins at api pricing.
entrope 4 hours ago||
I think the idea conflates price discrimination -- where people on individual subscriptions pay a much lower price per token than corporate accounts pay -- with using venture capital funding for opex. Both are subsidies in some senses, but the former is sustainable indefinitely.
criley2 5 hours ago|||
No, and the reason is simple: Usage is bursty and if you don't maximize usage of the hardware you're going to lose on price.

Ok you can host this model once. What if I want a dozen subagents? Ok you can host it 12 times at once. What if we go a whole week only using max 4 at a time? Etc etc. The limits imposed by self-hosting might be bearable for a variety of reasons, but it's going to be more expensive and less convenient/useful.

bhouston 6 hours ago|||
Whether it is "open" or not seems to be in question. While it was initially called an "open" model, it seems that "open" mentions have been scrubbed from website.
kingleopold 5 hours ago||
hardware, electricity cost and other extra time consuming deployment, are they joke to you? ROI needs to positive otherwise open models have still BIG COST.
WorldPeas 1 hour ago||
not to mention thermal sinking, this is a very overlooked part of self-hosting at scale people overlook
WorldPeas 1 hour ago||
I hope this means they stop downgrading my fable requests
avph 2 hours ago|
I tried the $40 plan. Seems ok to get some real work done. The model seems quite capable and being able to read the reasoning trace is bonus. It's not the fastest though.
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