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Posted by couAUIA 16 hours ago

Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol on an NP-Hard Problem: Does /goal help?(charlesazam.com)
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andai 15 hours ago|
Results seem mostly noise to me. One eval per model, in a large problem space (i.e. a problem which requires many attempts to solve well).
couAUIA 14 hours ago|
Yes I agree, but I actually did a lot more runs, with different prompts, different times ect... And each time /goal had a small or insignificant impact
akoboldfrying 13 hours ago||
If you're curious what the actual optimal Paris cost is, I suggest formulating the problem as an integer linear program and submitting it to Gurobi on NEOS [0]. Gurobi is arguably the strongest commercial ILP solver; big companies pay big dollars to use it to optimise schedules, industrial processes, etc. I'm not sure it could solve this problem to optimality in the 8 hours NEOS provides you, but it might -- KIRO has some similarities to the Vehicle Routing Problem, variants of which are very commercially important. In any case, Gurobi is a monster, and even if you don't get an exact solution, it will give you a lower bound (which may not be tight, but it's nonetheless interesting).

[0] https://neos-server.org/neos/

codelion 12 hours ago||
Just use OpenEvolve for such problems.
matt123456789 8 hours ago|
An interesting project. I am curious about its cost per unit improvement over each model's best /goal on the author's benchmark.
couAUIA 16 hours ago||
A deepdive on the /goal effect on a problem literally made for this.
techpression 15 hours ago||
I love that we have this on one hand and me cleaning up catastrophic CSS made by Sol on the other. Then again, maybe CSS is the ultimate benchmark.
thickclearglass 12 hours ago||
Codex has a very bad system prompt which no one at OpenAI is seemingly aware of.

Sol frontend is perfectly serviceable if you use it from something like Pi.

cwmoore 14 hours ago|||
I do not know the whole picture, but if you are asking for blind one-shot CSS, you might benefit from wiring the model to take screenshots of various end-browsers and discuss them as you iterate.

Offering freelance estimates for CSS design changes before frameworks were around was a problem.

techpression 10 hours ago||
I actually have very detailed specifications around the CSS, the problem is that LLM's are trained mostly on codebases with high amounts of complexity so they like to create layer of abstractions that only make your codebase much harder to reason about, machine and man alike. This is very visible in CSS, where almost every single thing automatically becomes a component wrapping the CSS (be it React or LiveView in my case), which is very often meaningless because the CSS itself is the component.
baq 14 hours ago||
CSS is the reason I refuse to do any frontend work except FE infra and I know I’m not alone here, soooo yes I guess?
MaxoumanBoss 13 hours ago||
Very interesting, will surely help my future projects
stevefan1999 12 hours ago||
...is this not a Travelling Salesman Problem?
hyperpape 12 hours ago|
Related, but not quite the same. The solution to this problem can have more than one loop, whereas TSP definitionally has only one. Not quite sure how that changes the difficulty or the tools that you’d use.
stevefan1999 11 hours ago||
Because my instinct immediately went into simulated annealing or ant colony.

Or I think my PTSD on advanced algorithm course kicked in

Edit: looks like the closet reduction should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_star_problem with bounded circuit length

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