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Posted by barry-cotter 18 hours ago

If You Build It, They Will Come(www.benlandautaylor.com)
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Dig1t 13 hours ago||
I think this is a little bit oversimplified and I don't know that it's even true at all. It's basically the opposite story of what's told by "Bowling Alone".

That book was written in the year 2000, when the author observed that institutions that previously provided social fabric were all dying. The United States used to have a robust web of institutions that provided social fabric and they have mostly all gone away, and they went away because people just stopped attending them, seemingly because of lack of interest. This was then proceeded by the "problem of social alienation" that this author is talking about.

This problem of social alienation was predicted long ago by the people who worried about the collapse of institutions that provided social capital.

As someone who does organize many group events, I can tell you that it's really hard to get people to show up. A good percentage of people bail last minute or don't respond to invitations at all. The problem gets worse the older people get as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Alone

MikeynJerry 8 hours ago||
Created an account just to echo this. I don't agree with the author at all.

I moved to Seattle about a year ago and it's taken just as long to build something that vaguely resembles a small board game community, and I still have issues with people ghosting or refusing to play anything other than what they brought.

And despite having multiple regulars, none of them have ever invited me to anything. Not even other game nights. Multiple times I have heard something akin to "Oh yeah I invited X and Y (other regulars) to Z event" and it hurts every single time.

Two days ago, as the last two people were leaving, one asked the other if they wanted to join them for an improv festival that happened today. I love improv. They declined, so I was awkwardly like: "hey, I would love to go with you, can you send me the details when you get home?" and all I got was radio silence.

The frustrating part is that the person I asked had just gone through a rough breakup, so for the past few weeks I'd been inviting him to a bunch of stuff, even going out of my way to organize stuff just for him to get out of the house, because I thought we were good friends.

Sorry for the rant.

TL;DR: I agree that it's really hard to get people to show up and I don't know what it will take to change that, but if you figure it out, please let me know.

t0mpr1c3 12 hours ago||
I don't believe it either. This advice has probably never been less true.

Perhaps there is just a certain kind of Substack journalist who chooses some dubious piece of conventional wisdom every Sunday to sermonize about.

PeterHolzwarth 9 hours ago||
I don't know that I would characterize the typical Substack writer as a "journalist."

It's just opinion blogging.

t0mpr1c3 7 hours ago||
They get paid.

That's why they write it on Substack not Blogger or Wix.

puttycat 12 hours ago||
Good Toastmasters clubs are a good example of this.
Razengan 13 hours ago||
So many cool things were built and forgotten, or didn't get the attention or popularity they "deserved"
rvz 16 hours ago||
In 2026:

- If you build it (and it doesn't take off) then they won't come.

- If you build it (and it does takes off) they will come and compete with you to build their own.

raffael_de 14 hours ago|
are you speaking from experience?
rvz 11 hours ago||
No.
charcircuit 13 hours ago||
>If You Build It, They Will Come

This is probably the worst advice I had ever heard in my life and has resulted in me wasting years of my life. It is not the act of building something that causes people to come. If you were to rent out a $10,000 venue for your awesome event. There isn't going to be some magic that causes people to come out let alone pay to let you recoup costs. Building something is the most expensive part of doing something and ironically has almost 0 effect in my experience in getting people to come. Getting people to come is purely a marketing thing and does not require an actual thing to even be built.

greatsage_sh 9 hours ago||
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grandimam 14 hours ago||
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triprjt 17 hours ago|
no offence but i dont know what is this article doing on hackernews. looks like a diary entry at best.
alwa 15 hours ago||
Sometimes when I feel that way, I take it as a sign that there must be something about it that I’m missing.

I try to take that feeling of “why is this here” as my cue not to reflexively kick the thing in front of me, but to reflect more deeply on what it is that the others are seeing in it.

Sometimes I figure out what that is, other times I stay puzzled. Sometimes I get it and it’s just not for me, but I can learn something from the way the others appreciate it. Sometimes it’s just not a room I want to be in.

But over my life I’ve learned by far the most—at least in terms of big coarse new ways of looking at things and of understanding other people—from the rooms I fit in least naturally, and from the phenomena whose appeal most confuses me at first glance.

YMMV, Chesterton’s Fence, etc.

ema 16 hours ago|||
Please have a look at the Hacker News guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
geophph 14 hours ago|||
> anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

Idk seems like it fits the bill still. Maybe not for everyone

_superposition_ 15 hours ago|||
Shakes fist at cloud
nefarious_ends 16 hours ago||
I'm right there with you, pal. The quality and focus of this site has declined significantly. More often than not these days I regret opening the site at all.
mhluongo 15 hours ago||
Per the article, if you want to fix this... maybe start your own :P