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Posted by Dimmiwoah 1 day ago

Terence McKenna's Mega Bad Trip (2025)(psychedelics.community)
107 points | 94 commentspage 2
DantesKite 1 day ago|
Wonderfully captivating article about a loquacious man that like the rest of us, wrestled with his demons and even sometimes machine elves.
xvxvx 1 day ago||
I remember discovering McKenna in the late 90’s when I first got internet access at home. The comparison with Alex Jones is a good one: he was initially very interesting, sparking the imagination that whole worlds existed out there that I didn’t know about. But quickly it fell apart and I understood it was just horseshit, a form of fantasy.

I’ve never tripped but it sounds similar to fever dreams I had a few times when I was sick as a child, running high temperatures. Why anyone would choose to experience that is another question.

Reading that McKenna was just another for-profit bullshit artist at the end of the day is the sad part. Exploring ideas and possibilities is a noble pursuit, but only if you can admit to mistakes and failures. Deciding to carry on to make money is weak and undermines everything. His legacy could have been as someone who dedicated his life to understanding psychedelics and gave an honest, well-researched evaluation at the end of it all. Money and celebrity status ruined all of that.

carljungslabtek 1 day ago||
Tripping is pretty different from even the wildest dreams, mostly because it changes how you think. Usually when I have a bizarre dream the non-euclidean reality is frustrating, because my mind in the dream is still the same as my mind when I’m awake.

But psychedelic drugs can trigger an openness to new ideas that is incredibly difficult to achieve while sober.

They’re also dangerous though, like the article notes. It’s like working (or playing) with fire. Even people who have decades of experience with it can suddenly get viciously burned. So I don’t really recommend it at all — intensive meditation can still be dangerous for people who are unprepared for what can come up but it’s a much more sustainable practice than drugs and can achieve similar (but better, if done correctly) states.

The article did make me pretty sad for the same reasons you called out. I used to look up to him a LOT in college. I moved past it when I discovered meditation but reading this piece really shut down the goodwill I still had for him. It also makes it hard not to view him as a weak person who never did any real personal development and just got lucky with his first few decades of tripping. I had nightmarish nihilistic mushroom trips that made me want to off myself even as a college student lol.

sibeliuss 1 day ago|||
McKenna to Alex Jones? That is an offensively bad comparison for someone as philosophically astute and well-rounded as he was.

And tripping to a fever dream... You know, sometimes it's best to just not respond if you know nothing about a subject at all.

tpm 18 hours ago||
> someone as philosophically astute and well-rounded as he was

Just my general observation having never read anything from him: many people with generally good qualities but also with a bit of narcissism and self-importance have, when exposed to psychedelics, gone off the rails and became truth-owning preachers or outright abusers. This is to me interesting in so far as this is not the case generally for others groups of psychedelic users.

In that aspect I can understand the analogy, although I have no idea if it's correct.

joenot443 14 hours ago|||
> I’ve never tripped but it sounds similar to fever dreams

This sounds a bit like someone who’s never played a video game being disappointed in John Carmack.

When you’re that far removed from a certain subculture it shouldn’t be surprising when you’re unable to understand it.

vanillax 1 day ago|||
Pretty terrible take if you compare tripping to a bad fever dream.
shlant 20 hours ago||
as someone who has a good amount of experience with psychedelics - there is actually a surprising amount of overlap between the two experiences, but mostly in a generalized "how they can feel" way, and not in the sense that they are the same type of experience.
cindyllm 1 day ago||
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thisisauserid 1 day ago||
And he had even more regret when he thought that his (terminal) brain tumor was caused by all the psychedelics he had done (though doctors assured him that was unlikely in the extreme).
jebronie2 1 day ago||
I didn't know chemically deep-frying your brain could be a bad thing
fraywing 1 day ago||
Their server was sleep paralyzed by the HN egregore
homeonthemtn 15 hours ago||
Classic psychedelic community. Preach about ego death while maintaining a huge ego.

Guy goes through traumatic experiences because he abused the hell out of psychedelics (5g weekly, wtf?) but continues to encourage people to do the same because he doesn't want to be seen as weak

I have so many problems with McKenna. Guy was a drug addict but because he was one of the first to write about drugs during an era of taboo, he gets a pioneers deference. That would be fine if people still didn't glorify his absurd doses and bull shit about "knowledge downloads" or whatever it is.

Anyways, pardon my rant

alex1138 1 day ago||
The famous story of La Chorrera is that Dennis is the one that went seriously off the rails but it's Dennis in some of his public statements and book that cast skepticism on a few of Terence's ideas

What you shouldn't do is just willy nilly tell people to take things. If the article is right about that, it's disappointing. I always saw him as being very academic and quite in tune with the dangers of outright recommendation (perhaps in contrast to Leary but I don't want to misinterpret Leary)

zuzululu 1 day ago||
i think his theory on novelty diminishing is bunk we are seeing more and more of it
carljungslabtek 1 day ago|
he didn’t say it would diminish, he said it would increase until we reached a singularity, which he pegged to 2012. not that i’m a mckenna devotee but i always thought it was interesting that he speculated the final push would be a “device that a small group of people use to generate infinite novelty” and then the smartphone really took off exactly around 2012. the “small group” is just you and your buddies making endless memes and new inside jokes.
zuzululu 1 day ago|||
Terence McKenna predicted that the universe's accelerating accumulation of complexity and novelty would hit its absolute maximum, or "zero point," on December 21, 2012

On the contrary we've seen a surge of novelty since.

Smartphone took off before 2012, a few years after iphone's release around 2010 when social media converged on it

sibeliuss 1 day ago||
In my opinion he nailed the timeline. It just needed to take off, and it is.
antonvs 23 hours ago|||
> which he pegged to 2012

He picked the date because of the Mayan calendar. Bullshit all the way down.

buildsjets 4 hours ago|||
To expand on the levels of bullshittery, he initially picked “sometime in 2012” based on noting the number of elapsed days between 3 events in his life that he considered significant. (death of his mother, meeting a woman, and the date of the La Chorrera experiment with said woman.) He claimed that these events formed a sequence that could be found hidden in the King Wen sequence of the I Ching. By curve fitting these 3 data points and extrapolating to the end of the King Wen sequence, he predicted an event of peak novelty and the termination of history in 2012-ish. A computer (Apple ][) was used therefore the method is clearly scientifically sound.

He later refined it to align specifically with the Mayan Calendar because that was getting trendy, and he had a public speaking business to support. He pretty much says so in some of his later recordings.

Note he always claimed the end of his “Timewave” was the end of history, not the end of the planet or the end of the universe, or the end of humanity. He speculated that one potential event that could thus end history would be the invention of a time machine.

carljungslabtek 12 hours ago|||
I wasn’t arguing his methods were scientific or anything. They’re not.
brcmthrowaway 1 day ago|
This movement had a movement but now it's over. They failed to stop capitalism and effective altruists from taking over the cultural lexicon.

Now I can't go anywhere without hearing about Roko's Basilisk.

shlant 20 hours ago|
> They failed to stop capitalism

good thing, too!