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Posted by thisislife2 20 hours ago

HMD Touch 4G(www.hmd.com)
85 points | 100 comments
alfanick 19 hours ago|
What is special about this? Does it cost $20? Is it a cheap smart phone (why do they call it a hybrid phone?) targetting India (mentioning of cricket)?
puzzlingcaptcha 19 hours ago||
The little print at the end says "Currently only available in India."

Reminds me a bit of HMD's KaiOS feature phones but this is apparently Android?

walrus01 12 hours ago|||
> The little print at the end says "Currently only available in India."

I think that was made obvious by the big thing on the marketing website scroll about checking cricket scores.

iamtedd 8 hours ago||
Because India is the only country that cares about cricket?

They're not even the only country in Asia where cricket's big.

mathgeek 4 hours ago||
I believe GP’s point is India is the place a company would highlight cricket scores above other marketing lines.
iamtedd 1 hour ago||
Cricket season is just starting up. I could see this ad in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, or hell, even Australia. India's not special.
janv 15 hours ago|||
No, it uses RTOS Touch. Looks like HMD/Nokia gave up on KaiOS a few years ago.
slim 25 minutes ago||
which makes it a new platform. any other phone uses rtos touch ?
amelius 17 hours ago|||
It says "Small phone".

And it is indeed smaller than most smartphones. Apple never made a small smartphone, presumably because they need the big screen for their vending-machine-in-your-pocket to sell more content.

lloeki 2 hours ago|||
> And it is indeed smaller than most smartphones. Apple never made a small smartphone

I couldn't find specs for this thing but from the picture it looks to be about the same size as the original iPhone.

type0 5 hours ago||||
Ikko MindOne Pro is small phone, could be a usable device if it had better software
wildzzz 15 hours ago||||
Apple struggles to sell budget models of their phones, everyone wants at least the standard version. Why would they try to sell an even tinier phone than the SE? No one will buy it. The Apple Watch is a tiny device with its own SIM but that's not a phone, it's a smartwatch so its really an accessory to your phone.
black_rabbit_ 15 hours ago||||
I mean, depending on what you mean by "small smartphone", the early models definitely count (3.5"-4" diagonal). They were huge screens for their time, but nowadays everything's a phablet so they look tiny by comparison.
m463 12 hours ago|||
many people await the return of the iphone mini...
wolvoleo 12 hours ago||
Yes you still see so many around. They might not have sold enough by Apple standards but they still sold in huge absolute numbers.
lloeki 1 hour ago||
Conversely, I am counting 6 persons (7 when including myself) in my direct close circle that do not upgrade because there is no Mini on the Apple lineup.

I'm not counting people that did upgrade but are spiteful of the forced size increase.

wolvoleo 1 hour ago||
I'm really not surprised. The mini is sooo cute.

I'd have got one myself but iOS doesn't work for me.. I have several things I need on a mobile phone that are not available on iOS.

For me a phone is really an outside the house thing only. I don't use it at home to poke around on the internet etc, like most people do these days. I still have a real computer with a massive screen and keyboard. So a mini size is great for me.

On Android there's the ones from Unihertz but they take the "small" factor a little bit too far, and also their software support is absolutely terrible. And people often mention the zenPhone, I'm not sure why because it was never smaller than the Samsung S-series. It wasn't really a small phone anyway.

Synaesthesia 1 hour ago|||
3.2" display. Weighs 100g. Cheap (presumably)
code_duck 17 hours ago||
₹4,199 it seems, which is about $45.
cactusplant7374 15 hours ago||
This is perfect. I've been looking for a burner phone for when I'm in Guayaquil. Something I wouldn't mind losing in a robbery.
abc123abc123 3 hours ago||
Why would you voluntarily go to a place where you expect to be robbed?

I go to places where there is very little, to no, risk of being robbed. This is good.

sdsdssweew213 34 minutes ago||
Maybe they have relatives there. Maybe their job requires them to.
mangecoeur 18 hours ago||
You know it's an India focused device when the top selling point is "Check the cricket results" ;)
kerrieshitz 2 hours ago||
You know it's an India focused device when the top selling point is "I've been looking for a burner phone for when I'm in Guayaquil. Something I wouldn't mind losing in a robbery." ;)
yorwba 1 hour ago||
Guayaquil is in Ecuador.
ColdStream 6 hours ago|||
Could do alright in Australia and the UK for about 6 months of the year as well. ;)
Venkatesh10 5 hours ago||
But smartphones especially Chinese ones are so abundant in India, literally no one wants to buy this slop device. They socialize, watch TV, share through other internet medium to get cricket scores.
abc123abc123 3 hours ago||
It's a nice attempt. Dumbphone, with 2 MP camera and wifi hotspot. Sadly they shoot themselves in the foot by only offering it in india.

Now, if they would only remove the gimmicky touch screen, and replace it with buttons, the phone would be a perfect for those who do not like to have a surveillance device in their pocket. Or at least a "lesser" surveillance device.

stonogo 31 minutes ago|
They "shoot themselves in the foot" by only offering it in a billion-and-a-half-person market? Not sure how. The sales numbers in ROW are probably a rounding error compared to India.

Also HMD already sells that other product you're describing. They're on the same website linked above; click "Feature Phones" to see them.

blululu 10 hours ago||
Ok, this is kinda cool. In case you wanted to read the actual specs: https://www.hmd.com/en_in/hmd-touch-4g/specs?sku=1GE001CPG30... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMD_Touch_4G RTOS Touch on a Unisoc T127... that's cool. Amazed they can get the price that low.
throwa356262 5 hours ago|
CPU: single A7, 1GHz

RAM: 64MB LP-DDR2

Flash: 128MB NAND

I think the OS is an update of the Mocor RTOS by the SoC vendor Unisoc.

I am curious if there are 3rd party apps on this device. If nothing else, it would be a fun challenge to write apps for something constrained like this.

Doohickey-d 4 hours ago||
This doesn't seem very competitive: it's priced at ₹4,199 (€38,08) on HMDs store.

On Amazon France, you can buy an "Energizer U506S" for €40.19 with free shipping. And that one has:

CPU: 1.5Ghz 4-core (MT6739 from 2017)

RAM: 2GB

Flash: 32GB

(and has card slot, dual sim)

And it runs Android 13 Go edition (probably not well, but enough to run Whatsapp and such).

So this device is facing some competition at that price point. Probably in India you can get an android device with higher spec at that €40 price point than you can in Europe.

msh 4 hours ago||
Those android phones will have a abysmal performance. I don’t know this device but it’s perfectly possible that a feature phone like this will provide good performance for its limited feature set on much lower specs.
martheen 3 hours ago||
In theory, yes, a dedicated development team should be able to write a usable feature phone OS today, considering we had blazing fast feature phones in 2013 at even lower spec playing music seamlessly while browsing the web.

In practice this phone's YouTube reviews show it's running dog slow while lacking basic features, just like pretty much any other recently released feature phones at its price point.

throwa356262 19 hours ago||
This is a odd one. I don't think it can compete with cheap android phones.

But I would love an android in small form factor like this. Can live without hi-res display and multiple cameras, if they can get the phone down to this size.

IMO, Xperia mini was the perfect phone.

https://m.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_mini-3947.php

danangReader 7 hours ago||
I really liked to buy these HMD phones for my kids. Unfortunately the camera quality is not very good enough . Sometimes kids need decent image quality for printig and home work, and I couldn't think a few MBs are nice to have nowadays.
ColdStream 6 hours ago|
Unfortunately, the camera is the one place they always cut very hard. It gets to the point that it would probably best to have nothing at all.
pr337h4m 19 hours ago||
Without WhatsApp support it will not go far.
collabs 19 hours ago||
> Without WhatsApp support it will not go far.

Speaking of which, it is bizarre how the tables have turned. Whatsapp used to support everything under the sun... But now it is all Android and iPhone

ObscureScience 3 hours ago|||
This one was recently up in HN: https://dumbermini.com/
KeplerBoy 17 hours ago|||
To be fair there's nothing else left under this sun.
w4der 16 hours ago||
It's a chicken and egg problem tho, whatsapp doesn't support smaller platforms, and smaller platforms can't grow without app support. I remember that the uptake of Windows Phone 7 and early versions of 8 was pretty low partly because whatsapp didn't support that OS.
rjsw 15 hours ago||
WhatsApp has reduced the number of platforms that they support, they had a KaiOS app but disabled it last year.
w4der 14 hours ago||
I know, but my comment was more along the lines of Windows Phone 7 coming out in 2010 and whatsapp being available a year later, and of whatsapp not having a native app for Sailfish
notpushkin 9 hours ago|||
They could do Telegram at least, which has a non-zero user base (not sure about India, though, which seems to be their target market), and supports third party clients. Rolling their own chat app is... well, good luck with that.
kerrieshitz 2 hours ago||
Saar we need only near no far
Venkatesh10 5 hours ago||
What's the point of even releasing this device? Serves no distinguishing factor.
kjellsbells 20 hours ago||
This is an odd little device. It seems you can only call other express chat users? it's reminiscent of cellphone systems from the old old days like Nextel walkie talkies. Also I see its available in India only and given the feature restrictions perhaps it's meant as an ultra low end device ?

If HMD came out with something that was optimized to the nth degree for whatsapp calls, that might be interesting, but even then I wonder how cheap it would need to be to compete with budget androids.

rjsw 18 hours ago||
There looks to be an express chat app for iPhone and Android as well.
daneel_w 17 hours ago||
I assure you it can do regular calls and texting on the public telephony grid.
ferongr 20 hours ago|
This is nothing new. It's a dumb-phone with a touchscreen. There were quite a few examples back in the day in the late 00s.
marysol5 3 hours ago||
Even now, there's been a market for them. I know a few older people who have them
loosescrews 19 hours ago||
It seems particularly similar to the short lived Microsoft Kin phones from 2010.
anilakar 19 hours ago||
Considering how bad the Windows Phone ecosystem was, the smartphones were not much better...
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