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Posted by thisislife2 1 day ago

HMD Touch 4G(www.hmd.com)
90 points | 106 commentspage 4
justsad 1 day ago|
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kerrieshitz 1 day ago|||
Saar we need only near no far
moffkalast 1 day ago||
4G? In 2026? Good luck having no tower reception. 4G barely works anymore.
InsideOutSanta 1 day ago||
4G is currently the dominant mobile data network with the best coverage.
moffkalast 1 day ago||
Yeah in your dreams maybe. I'm often seeing zero bars, asking others if they have any signal only to have them show me a full 5G signal. New towers aren't backwards compatible, and the bandwidth has been largely reduced.
InsideOutSanta 1 day ago|||
I'm not entirely sure why you're arguing with me about this. 4G currently has much better coverage than 5G; that's just a fact. I'm sure "4G barely works anymore" is true for you, but you don't represent the world, much less India, where this phone is sold.
traceroute66 1 day ago|||
> New towers aren't backwards compatible, and the bandwidth has been largely reduced.

Yup.

In tech-speak there is 5G NSA (Non-Standalone Architecture) and 5G SA (Standalone Architecture).

5G NSA is a kludge, it is 5G radios operating on a legacy 4G core. Inherently backwards compatible.

5G SA is 5G radios on 5G core. Clearly not backwards compatible.

5G SA is the preferred route for good reason:

    1. It delivers reduced power consumption at both operator and user-device level
    2. It delivers improved latency and bandwidth at both operator and user-device level
jeroenhd 1 day ago|||
NSA can be rolled out with almost nothing more than a firmware update. For any existing carrier network, it was the obvious place to start 5G rollout.

If you're building new towers, things change, obviously. That said, a lot of industrial/IoT hardware still requires 4G so it's not entirely unreasonable to deploy 4G in new coverage areas.

izacus 1 day ago||||
In other words - noone in real life is deploying 5G only infrastructure right now and won't for awhile.

MSR base stations are the norm in the industry, not a rarity.

moffkalast 1 day ago|||
And it also planned-obsoletes 4G only devices, a big win for the operators that can then sell new 5G capable ones. Such a racket I swear. Can't wait to go through this shit again for 6G in about 5 years, like we did for 3G.
uni_baconcat 1 day ago||
They can replace 2G/3G IoT with LTE, but cannot with 5G (due to energy consumption).

5G RedCap is the solution, but that will need new infrastructure and chipset. LTE will stay at least for another ten years.

izacus 1 day ago||
Did you mix up 4G with 3G/2G?
traceroute66 1 day ago||
> Did you mix up 4G with 3G/2G?

Most operators have switched off both 3G and 2G by now.

userbinator 1 day ago|||
2G is still active in a few areas as a low-speed, long-range fallback while 3G is being shut down.
izacus 1 day ago|||
This is why I'm asking, because noone is shutting down 4G anywhere. And 5G actually has LESS range than 4G.
ChocolateGod 1 day ago|||
4G is ending up as the replacement to 2G as the base network. I suspect 5G networks will be shut down before 4G ones given IoT devices are largely setting on the low power variants of LTE.
BenjiWiebe 22 hours ago|||
5G has more range than 4G on the same frequency bands. 5G UWB has less range than 4G.
awestroke 1 day ago|
> Currently only available in India

Closes tab

wilsonnb3 1 day ago||
I suspected as much after their first use case for cloud services was cricket results.

Perhaps the limitation to whatever express chat is isn’t a dealbreaker in India.

martheen 1 day ago||
This phone cost about one-fifth of India's minimum monthly wage, while proper new Android cost one-third of monthly wage. My country's economy is somewhat in the same ballpark as India and I doubt anyone I know would buy this. In an r/dumbphones reviews, comments by Indians shows nobody cares about these devices aside from those buying weird devices for curiosity sake.
notThrowingAway 1 day ago||
now you know how it feels to browse this site as a non-American