Posted by dopamine_daddy 20 hours ago
Admittedly, a Stack Overflow answer is somewhat outside the realm of scientific writing, so it's still possible that the detector may be accurate within that domain. That said, it's a cautionary tale on the hazards of applying classifiers like this outside of the domain that they were trained on.
We were discussing research in general and I asked them: "Do you prefer the writing of the papers or the research?"
They, almost unanimously, agreed that they preferred the research. This makes sense as if they preferred writing they probably would have chosen another profession.
I say this b/c having LLMs available to turn research diagrams, code etc into a paper (or at least the starting point of a paper) will probably lead to MORE quality research papers. This is b/c I'm sure there was some friction in a researcher's mind of "I would love to do the research on this but don't want the trouble of writing the paper".
Put another way: on a 2D plot with one axis being the skills as a researcher and the other being hatred of writing, LLMs may "unlock" the people high on both axes to get more papers out.
Post Script: I agree that this could also lead to more BAD papers but the net may turn out to be positive in the long run.
The question is just how to organize these outputs and conclusions in a way that is consistently reproducible and also how to correct errors or remove LLM nonsense where it refuses to take a position on something.
Before it made sense to do this in papers but it feels like we need something like a paper format.. that is fully reproducible ideally and optimized for aggregating knowledge in a better way. I.e. before a person spent months on one of these and there was just more filtering, and the output itself was a clear signal of time spent and effort that no longer exists.
If we imagine a set of all human ideas that these models have access to, then the set of possible discoveries would be something like the superset of all possible combinations of those ideas. I think all LLM discoveries are bounded by that space.
Looking at the recent OpenAI math discoveries, that seems to be pretty much what happened. Existing ideas were used as building blocks, the model found a valuable combination, and the result was something new that had real value.
I know people are working on these things I just haven’t seen the right way yet. Like in manufacturing right now people are trying to encode what skilled machinists do into software and scale it up, we need to go further on that for Math/ data analysis etc.
I don't think the problem is as bad as a naive reading of this article suggests. I'm highly skeptical that anywhere near 65% of recent CS papers that I've read (mostly systems papers) are substantially AI-written. I threw some recent papers I've read into the system and they come back as 0-7%.
Its not clear from your writeup what threshold needs to be reached to be classified as "machine written". A preprint where half the text is human and half is 100% AI should be a different category than a preprint where 100% of the text is AI-assisted.
Also its cool that you're making the detector available. When you say "cheap to run", do you know how this compares to pricing for a commercial detector pangram or GPTZero?
Pangram agrees: https://www.pangram.com/history/3de33376-94e3-404d-bbb0-751a...
The article doesn't seem to mention consideration of AI for polishing human work.
There. AI-polished sentence.
> The article doesn't seem to mention consideration of AI for polishing human work.
Because it isn't a consideration. You are what they are looking for.
One thing I see a lot is papers flagged as AI because they include llm rollouts in the paper as examples.