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Posted by ms7892 2 days ago

Kimi Work(www.kimi.com)
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adamlangsner 2 days ago||
this landing page looks like a cheap ripoff of google's antigravity: https://antigravity.google/
OutOfHere 2 days ago|
Who cares. Competition is good for the user even if it's built on plagiarism. The other site was probably designed using an LLM anyway. LLMs can in some aspects converge wrt their outputs.
crypto_is_king 2 days ago||
Also known as the "Xi Jinpeng learns about your business" app.
mrmiraclebr 2 days ago|
I surely hope so!
dakolli 2 days ago||
Nobody actually producing hard goods, real world value and actual software are using these cute tools. Its completely worthless to people actually doing things.
bogdan 2 days ago|
It's worthless until it isn't.
fttt 2 days ago||
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rvz 2 days ago||
For the past 3 years, many software engineers were coping that AI (particularly LLMs) was only going after juniors. Given the documented history of mass layoffs related to AI from 2024 to today, it is clear that everyone including seniors and staff level folks are just as affected.

So let's just say, if your whole identity is for being a typical software engineer no matter the seniority and nothing else, perhaps it is time for you to reconsider options as of course 100% avoiding AI is futile at this point.

There will still be new jobs, but there will be no need for more excess people, even under Jevon's paradox. Software engineers were just the test bed for this and now there is an oversupply of SWEs without jobs in the market and will have to use AI tools like Kimi Work and Claude Cowork to be employable.

rootusrootus 2 days ago||
I have never been more sure about the viable future of software engineering as a career than I am after experiencing everything all the way up to and including Fable.
slopinthebag 2 days ago|||
Do you actually believe this and are concerned about it?
rvz 2 days ago||
First of all to reply to your deleted comment, yes this is completely relevant to the article.

As token costs drop significantly (thanks to local models and hosted Chinese models.) employers will consider using cheaper models like Kimi Work and others, even if they are already using expensive ones like Claude Cowork. They won't be able to operate without it.

Secondly, do I actually believe this? Of course, I already said that there will be more mass layoffs because of AI years ago. [0]

So this outcome was expected.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42490692

Paradigm2020 1 day ago||
Last year, not years ago
piker 2 days ago|
It's a mistake to make this such an obvious copy. It will feed the narrative that Chinese entities cannot be trusted by the West. They could have varied it even slightly. It's one thing with hardware because customers don't need to trust suppliers any further than they can throw the box. But these labs seem to be battling for enterprise knowledge work-share. Trust is paramount, and they're already behind on that front. Own goal.
prmoustache 2 days ago||
Copying is not frowned upon in the LLM ecosystem. This is its very reason of existence.
bko 2 days ago|||
How to make an apple pie from scratch with no copying:

Step 1: invent the universe

abdullahkhalids 2 days ago|||
Funnily enough, you will have to pretty accurately copy the laws of our universe to make an Apple pie. Even small changes will change the properties of atoms, and hence all of chemistry and biology. And there won't be any apples or wheat.
piker 2 days ago|||
The baker is not asking you to trust them with your entire knowledge base in exchange for an apple pie.
ForHackernews 2 days ago||
Why do you trust Sam Altman?
piker 2 days ago||
I don't trust him or Dario frankly, but I don't run a Fortune 500 company. They obviously do.
piker 2 days ago|||
Perhaps, but "we run the exact same business as Anthropic and OpenAI to the pixel at 0.1% the price" is going to raise eyebrows.
dymk 2 days ago|||
Eyebrows will raise at Anthropic / OpenAI, perhaps. Why are they charging 1000x more for the exact same business?

The 'distillation is theft!' shtick won't last long. In fact, unlike Anthropic/OpenAI, these Chinese labs actually had to pay for that 'stolen' training data.

piker 2 days ago||
> Why are they charging 1000x more for the exact same business?

The implication they want to avoid, I'm suggesting, is because the CCP isn't plugged into and funding those entities' activities at a loss. Or they're lying about ZDR, etc. etc.

Daishiman 2 days ago||||
Once the OpenAI/Anthropic-driven hype dies down people with decision-making power will be taking a look at the numbers and look at real productivity metrics. And they'll see it makes little sense to pay so much when competition is around and similarly good.
fttt 2 days ago||
This is already happening.

Firms aren’t going to wait - their valuations are driven by it. So too is the compensation of those running them.

oh_no 2 days ago||||
GLM 5.2 and Kimi 3 both had huge API pricing jumps (GLM most expensive chinese model, by a lot, then then Kimi 3 a lot higher than that). the cost advantage is rapidly decaying. the oft-cited cost per task makes Kimi look good vs Anthropic but even, or slightly vs OpenAI
fortylove 2 days ago|||
Why?
piker 2 days ago||
For fear that the data they're entrusted with will be copied or that there is some nefarious reason like state sponsorship that makes the activity economical?
kalcode 2 days ago|||
Meh, we should just ignore that kind of propaganda. We copy things too, we use a system to protect IP because copying is such a normal and strong human thing to do.

In fact, when we don't discuss China, most find modern software patents and copyright to be abusive.

Finally, copying UX standards has been done for ages, it gives users a comfortable way to start using a product and instead of fighting that to be unique, some rather embrace it.

It can be jarring using so many different apps if each one tries too hard to be unique.

And this is my two cents, here it makes sense to have a similar interface, it's ultimately an app with chat sessions.

piker 2 days ago||
I do agree with the UX idea of familiarity, but copying the exact salutations, etc. just seems egregious.

Why not let the model speak for itself and contribute to an open harness?

catigula 2 days ago||
Narrative?

Kind of like the sphere Earth narrative.

BowBun 2 days ago||
Pedantic.

> A narrative is a structured account of connected events, experiences, or ideas, commonly referred to as a story

Regardless of intent, it is how you tell your story.

catigula 2 days ago|||
I think you misunderstood. “Narrative” typically frames something as polemic or open to interpretation, which this is about equally so to the whole “spherical Earth” story.
piker 2 days ago|||
I don't think the comment was intended to be pedantic, but rather to reframe the message as scientific fact.