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Posted by logickkk1 17 hours ago

Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber(blog.google)
https://console.cloud.google.com/agent-platform/publishers/g...
672 points | 516 commentspage 10
5701652400 16 hours ago|
if only DeepSeeek supported vision, would never use Gemini.
WhitneyLand 17 hours ago||
The silence is deafening.

Google watches over the last few months a flat out assault on the Pareto curve from American and Chinese companies. Release after release pushing the boundaries of frontier intelligence and price/performance.

And the response from arguably the biggest AI research labs in the world by headcount is Flash 3.6.

What do you do when you are given essentially unlimited resources and still find yourself falling behind?

ece 16 hours ago||
Start your own openrouter.
cubefox 16 hours ago||
I wonder whether this is more the fault of Hassabis or Pichai. They are clearly both less capable than Altman or Amodei.
onlyrealcuzzo 17 hours ago||
Gemini 3.5 flash is already a pretty good model. But, unfortunately, the primary way you can interact with it for coding is through Antigravity - which is actively developer hostile.

It doesn't matter how good the model is if you're (mostly) forced to use it in Antigravity - which turns any model into crap.

Wake me up when Antigravity doesn't suck.

lwansbrough 14 hours ago||
Plugged 3.5 Flash Lite into an existing agent harness that was previously using 3.1 Flash Lite and this shit just does not work. It's not following instructions and is not producing the correct tool calls.
kzrdude 9 hours ago|
Maybe this is relevant? Just in case

> For autonomous subagents with tool calls, code execution, or multi-step reasoning: set thinking_level to "medium" or "high" to prevent premature tool termination.

I just happened to see that in the docs: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/latest-model

lwansbrough 8 hours ago||
Thanks, I'll give that a try.
ur-whale 13 hours ago||
Why exactly are they announcing these completely milquetoast models ?

I'd be low-keying the release if anything, given how lame they are compared to their competition.

What am I missing?

dakolli 16 hours ago||
I use 3.5 flash 10x more than any other model, despite have access to all of them. If I'm going to play a slot machine, I'd rather get the pain over with quickly.
lenerdenator 16 hours ago||
We're almost five years into the whole GenAI thing and we're still relying on these guys to spoonfeed us incremental updates.

It's time for them to start focusing on open-weight models and efficiency. Otherwise there's just a layer of marketing hype and "will it do this?" that has to be cut through for evaluation of each and every release cycle.

Models are getting easier and easier to create. The money, if there's any here, is in the harness the user interfaces with, and the data centers running them.

zuzululu 16 hours ago||
Google seems to be falling way behind the pack. antigravity cli is pure trash. gpt 3.5 pro is now behind and isn't released yet. GPT 6 and Fable 6 releasing next month. What the hell is going on over there ?
zarzavat 16 hours ago|
> What the hell is going on over there

Google was late to coding agents and as-per-usual fucked it up with their crazy project management culture.

Usually Google gets away with it due to inertia, however this time they are paying a heavy price because they missed out on the training data that Anthropic and OpenAI have gathered with claude and codex.

ece 17 hours ago||
Just switched to AI Plus from Pro, seems like I won't be missing much.
zb3 17 hours ago|
> we have taken an intentional approach to deploying 3.5 Flash Cyber. The model will be exclusively available to governments and trusted partners

Screw your government! US and Israeli governments should get the least access, but of course we all know they'll be the (only) ones to get full unfiltered access.

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