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Posted by tchalla 4 hours ago

AI makes programming differently difficult(cacm.acm.org)
128 points | 103 commentspage 2
yananghelp 3 hours ago|
AI merely reduces the difficulty of coding, without directly increasing the difficulty of architectural judgment. It merely brings to light the actual difficulty of this task. Moreover, I believe that in the future, AI will also possess certain architectural judgment capabilities. However, the cost of such AI might even be higher than that of humans.
bystander2026 2 hours ago||
I am tired of all these AI is so smart vs AI is not so smart. AI is a tool. It is like CNC machine tools or robotics in manufacturing.

How's about a test? Put all the smart AI researchers/developers onto an airplane that its software was entirely created by AI. Now tell that airplane to travel around the world with airborne refueling and land at an airport. When will this happen and how many of AI advocates will get on this autonomous airplane?

kernc 2 hours ago||
The convergence is ongoing. We are Borg. You will be assimilated.
furyofantares 3 hours ago||
It's true that there are new skills to acquire (and that those with talents for the old skills may be less talented with the new skills).

It's absolutely not true that it "just" moved the difficulty around. If that were true then I'd be just as well off continuing to use my decades of programming expertise just as I always have; but the reality is I can get more done, and get better work done (depending on level of vibing), than ever before.

Thing is, though, making programming easier doesn't mean programmers will work less hard. That's how competitive markets work. LLMs made programming easier. Capitalism prevents workers from capturing that value.

lelanthran 3 hours ago|
> It's true that there are new skills to acquire

What new skills?

furyofantares 2 hours ago||
Getting the most out of out agent. Knowing how to give it context that will cause it to succeed. Knowing what things it will succeed at and what it won't. Knowing how to tell when it's failing.

Figuring out when it's appropriate to fully wrap your head around the details of a solution, and when it's appropriate to let the agent handle that and only know a bunch of properties of the solution. Knowing when it's appropriate to try 10 things, throw them all away, then go deep. Knowing how to learn from these things so you can make something better, not just faster.

luciana1u 2 hours ago||
we automated the easy part of programming and it turns out the easy part was the fun part
Havoc 3 hours ago||
It can be both at the same time - easier and different.
stellalo 3 hours ago||
But the thesis of the OP is that it is !easier && different
Havoc 3 hours ago||
Which I disagree with hence my comment?
FinnLobsien 3 hours ago||
I think the bigger issue in defining this is that “programming” is too big a task to say whether it got easier or harder.

Some YAML formalities now take zero effort while architectural thinking became way more important and difficult.

Havoc 3 hours ago||
>architectural thinking became way more important and difficult.

Did it though? I think the architectural stuff was always there and was always hard. And still is. I don't buy that it got harder now that you've got a pretty smart AI you can bounce ideas off, ask to investigate stuff, maybe make a quick mockup trivial test of both options on an architectural choice you face, send off to do research etc.

...so in my mind the aggregate {{programming}} got easier because the hard parts are still hard and the trivial parts got AI'd.

The only step up in complexity imo is wrangling a bunch of agents. Even very good coders report mental exhaustion from that

koakoala 1 hour ago|||
I agree it hasn't become more difficult conceptually. However, I am finding that the way to get the most out of agents seems to be to bite off bigger chunks than I would've when coding by hand, and try to make up-front decisions to much greater levels of detail than I previously would have before editing code.

Previously, I would've only thought through the really important high level choices up front (e.g. things that would affect interfaces with other parts of the system, or 'do I need a queue here' etc). For the smaller minutiae of good code structure, appropriate abstractions etc. I would allow myself flexibility to address those while working through the problem.

I found it easier to work at those different levels of granularity in sequence, and the latter one I specifically found easier to see the problem clearly and make a good decision while hand-writing the diff. In that sense, I think good architecture has been made more difficult to practice. For me, at least.

FinnLobsien 3 hours ago|||
Yes some parts of that are easier with AI, but I think comparatively to other activities, architecture is much harder.

And I also think what you describe is true in some contexts where you know exactly what you’re after.

You also don’t make architecture decisions in a vacuum, so the decision others make also affect you and you need to sell your decisions to others.

epolanski 3 hours ago||
I don't think I write or read or code anymore, bar prs from juniors or senior colleagues wanting a review.

I didn't think it would work just 6 months ago, but reality is that at this point AI writes better code than me and I'm not the average developer, but someone who loved the craft and was good at it.

Lots of effort was required to get the repositories to a good level, best practices, documentation, etc, but reality is that once you do that and have strong rails most of your work is having it to write a plan focused on business logic, review it, have it derive an implementation plan, review it and then it's mostly on its own.

Codebases have never been healthier, cleaner, better documented, consisted and thoroughly tested as they are now. There was just no spare time and mental energy to bring them there before, now there is and experimenting to get there was cheap.

Needless to say I no longer enjoy the job anymore and thinking of changing domain. I loved tinkering about implementation details, etc, but the job nowadays is more of qa and architectural design than writing or reviewing code.

1970-01-01 3 hours ago||
Tackling software architecture is not programming, that is architecture. They're called different things for a reason. It is now easier to write working code via AI. Anyone that can type can do it. The syntax (language) barrier is fully removed. I'm done with syntax, looking up the new right way to do things, etc. It works via prompting. Tell it what to write and it comes out the other end with a working program. That's programming, and that's not an opinion. This alone makes it easier to program.
kypro 3 hours ago||
It's way easier. People don't need to read code anymore, nor will they have to care about building mental models about the system as this article suggests.

The way to think about coding agents is that a good one should in theory literally replace the developer entirely. No, a whole organisation of developers.

In theory a product owner should just be able to dictate how they want to product to function at a high level and the AI should take care of the rest in the same way a human programmer or team of programmers would have in the past. If there are conflicts in what's being requested, then the AI should be able to recognise that and ask for production direction.

As always with every generation of AI people seem to way over index on the now.

- "They're good for autocomplete, that's about it"

- "They're good for quickly mocking up small functions, but they make a lot of mistakes"

- "They're good for scaffolding some parts of the system if you're good at prompt engineering"

- "They're good at writing most of the code, but humans will always need to do the last 10%"

- "They can write all of the code, but humans will still need to architect the system"

You are here. Perhaps this is where progress stops. I wouldn't bet on that however.

AI is making programming an irrelevent field.

holoduke 2 hours ago|
Since rise of AI u haven't touched single line of code. Even though I know AI isn't good enough still in many areas, I cannot find the energy to invest in programming with writing code.
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